Bill Winter Plane Talk PICTURE WORLD magazines Would hobby exist Youd have say no answer yes would thrive would clubs contests companies tiny its true some would giants out would come magazines spiraling growth has happened before beginning pre-1910 clubs things passing Aero magazines long gone Suppose acquire first model plane 1986 No town has except tiny ad some general magazine catalog order no evidence yours model world will two years before see anyone else model 1986 16 made model two years ago will 59 years before will see photo model built another 38 AMA average age built model 24 years ago 1962 will 37 years before see such photos 60 built model 46 years ago wont see photo same model another 14 years first model Ideal EveryBoys Monoplane Id seen Popular Mechanics 1in ad Ideal sketch Jenny DH 4 great bull-nosed radiator DH-4 Vein Mcintosh Ideal Taube Wright Flier 1984 Flying Aces Club meet Detroit Early Ideal models made extensive use reed curved pieces Its use Wrighttakes libertieswlth scale butdoes yoemans job tyingtogethera convenienttrike gear motor sticks forward biplane canard Motor sticks incline downthrust 5 otherwise wont take off Winter says pine etc props often carved scratch builders An Ideal 6-ft Bleriot also Detroit 1984 just its ready lift off Winter says lip service given flying instructions no mention CG sometimes saying could bend elevators Consequently took Winter year models find out rudi mentary factors No model magazines didnt discover American Boy until 1929 year MAN introduced gas model flown 1904 before born people flew rubber jobs much 2000 ft communications problem Winter says Ideals forte kit designing airplane designing line illustrations scattered throughout instructions condensed originals should give idea well thought out kit Instructions Remove four longest wood pieces also nose plate bulkheads 1 2 3 4 Attach two long wood sticks top bulk heads slipping short side edges bulkheads intothegroovescutinthesticks Lock bending projecting tongues over sticks Add two bottom sticks Smithsonian has full-scale still awes price $750 course wanted father spring 1927 $750 major money graduated grade school gave EveryBoys Mono plane instead cost precious $650 marvelous thinga triumph kit engineering some ways never equalled kit included numerous prefab aluminum parts lovely 10-in Paulownia wood prop good ball-bearing shaft assembly nice rubbertire wheels bamboo paper covering dope believe banana oilthat could buy old-fashioned hardware stores model far overpowered gave rope finest rubber Kits complete days because tarnation could anyone find supplemen tary items today would comprise long list label After supper went off play ball father thing Eighth Wonder World assembled covered ER before got home 10 oclock rigging wires king post turnbuckles take up slack true riggingwhat job warp would never again touch model airplane next day flew tried fly realize now Flying instructions short paragraph No mention CG what S iT.4-l-- CS 4 flCCt flWE s Slip front ends sticks respective grooves nose plate four sticks must correct corners nose plate shown after bend tongues inward lock sticks place 26 Model Aviation adjust machine note could bend down elevators took off rush within 50 feet abruptly nosed up whipstall assume dived Its life must have short tragic though remember dry white cracks rubber overwinding hand must have flown once got off ground such incredible kit etched memories never fade got no kits years driven took two years make model would flyit went 70 ft did know anything about design aerodynamics existed still ignore aerodynamicsI kid Augnst 1961 MANI published article S0S Mar bY Fit rear ends fuselage sticks rudder post two tongues slip grooves sticks Lock sticks place pressing two side pieces Inward until nearlytogether asking thesewere 10 greatest Iknow Zipper Rudder Bug Yates Madman CL Stunter probably Cahills rubber Wake Clodhopper 1912 Cecil Peoli racer twin pusher lasted until 1930s Peoli became show pilot killed Japan 1913 include EveryBoys Monoplane article just came home roost will see Ideal EveryBoys model airplane dream planes Vein McIntosh Por tage MI tells us As now have original EB hand am happily looking forward building flying replica However what Ive heard about flight characteristics isnt good Herb Kelley built EveryBoys 0 4 Place aluminum cowling position making flush nose plate Slip radiator over nose plate over front edge cowling Bend tongue out back lock radiator its place Twenties didnt have good results plane stalled dived finally wrecked Marion McClure owner model Im copying built EB several years ago original kit also trouble stalling diving gave up trials avoid destruction irreplaceable model Cavanaugh writing Aerial Age April 9 1917 apparently referring Scale models says notable exception model seen adjusted fly stably under power dived less steeply ground power ran out article Greatest December1986 27 Mcintosh attaches wing 6-ft Ble riot built Ideal Plan B dated 1917 Tiny vertical tall virtually flat dihedral didnt make things easier Functional sure Yes Bleriot did use landing gear tail skid types shown picture L R An AMLA Baby ROG Vein built September 196740 years after made first Baby ROG 3-ft Ideal Taube built May1975 12-in MegowSPAD middleyears An Ideal Curtiss Military tractor Model exhibit store Ideal kits sold Two aluminum sleeves hold wing spars should slipped place inside cowling projecting tongues ends bent down flush cowling looking sleeves position Vein goes say say EB finished job looked flew fine Id really appreciate anything could tell about model own experience Ideal models ginning about 10 years ago Taube reduced rubber flies well makes decent landing still under power 16 strands Y16 flat called climbs turns lands surprisingly flat attitude Bleriot 1911 very carefully ad justed will make 70- 100-ft flight sag down still partly wound flat landing 2 up elevator zooms stalls Neither weight nose nor downthrust makes less sensitive Anyhow point alter models obtaln flights typical Twenties picture EB Xerox instruction sheet enclosed reminder old times Winter McIntosh material tremendous surprise Like old song re member well some things prove different What involved Ideal thing noble unique effort much thought work must have gone its structural tricks As say too bad did fly well V although known such things probably would have made go must have carried away old MAN copy said flew fine got airborne made terrific impact because never seen anything fly took two summers create something own flew beyond 70 ft think trouble was tremendously overpowered though dont know now might have heavy well time Rubber Scale jobs tended much heavier took power like power bursts thereby magnified adjustment problemsand didnt know first thing about balance Mine took off rush got out about 50 ft stalledrather whiplike indicative some negative pitching moment curve know now could make fly now / WICK CROSS flACK WNOW VSOAMO LaS . -Q S/T Axle installation Slip axle through larger holes landing gear attach brace wire through smaller holes Install wheelsfnuts isnt too heavy dont know what happened mineperhaps broke up What say about other Ideal models interests meespecially Wright Flier dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assure good flight did kit design seemed learn Eaglet circa 1930 Evidently folks got stuff well before did tiny line-sketch ad Popular Mechanics caught first attention Looking photo would say outlines etc viable suspect tailheavy Sure acted way McIntosh Winter description flight characteristics Ideal EveryBoys Aeroplane agrees other two reports plane takes off flies less far stalls As say now could make fly Twenties though remedies have heard adjust elevator little Ideals instructions reduce amount rub ber used inferred Allens book Ideal models also told HL Kelley 28 Model Aviation Ideal Boys Monoplane kitted 1927 authorssfirst airplane roughly 3-ft span Winter says partially prefabbed formed aluminum parts kit fascinated father Pop completed covering four hours Junior played ball carved prop ball bearing shaft aluminum rubber-tired wheels rope fine rubber cost staggering $650 liquids Ideal number truly big firms mass-produced kits mostly Scale roughly 1909 1930s model picture exists belongs builder Marion McClure photo coming Bill Vein Mcintosh other ancients went contests 1920s specializes today building flying otherwise forgotten classics Theres much heady stuff text example Wright Flier proved best flier special breed historic Rubber Scale jobs Fasten two V-shaped sides land ing gear fuselage four clips Pressing tongues clip secures landing gear fuselage Vein built Deperdussin based photo found 1920 Wading River catalog tOfCC *0C* Mount mast overthe hole cowling using special mast Clips bending tongues over done landing gear advice given him during contest Twenties add weight bring balance point forward Ideal never says anything about model should balance EveryBoys added weight would overburden already quite heavy model As changing thrust line Ideal recommends aligning propeller bearing carefully rubber motor goes thought downthrust Wright bi plane flies very stably makes excel lent landings motor sticks aimed quite few degrees above wings angie incidence downthrust pusher angie turns out important wrong 50 less Excuse plans Verrills book very tiny model wouldnt take off until corrected Back EB guess Ill make up plans try have model season still love looks admire way its built Thread propeller shaft through slotted opening nose plate Remove rubber motor box take off rubberbands hold strands together Turn model upside down Let rubber strands slip through openings bulkheads Nos 1 2 3 attaching end hook bulkhead No 4 other prop shaft hook Thanks saying dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assuring good flight did kit design Ive heard said people spend effort doing what know best Ideal could did make wonderful precision drawings well-crafted kits did really know much about flight LE Opdycke kindly printed pictures 6-ft Bleriot Wright ones en closed WWIAero July 1985 put touch two people mentioned letter Am also including photo US Model Deperdussin based photo 1920 catalog Thought building attractive Antoinette might turn out good flier would much guesswork AnD o,ns Slip prop onto shaft name Ideal facing front Install nut washer tighten prongs should fit snugly against side prop hub prevent prop turning shaft involved building catalog picture alone couldnt say would behave like original Ideal plans arent hard find early US Model plans seem have lost Winter McIntosh got magnificent pictures Just wonderful what oppor tunity show present-day modelers roots .. know anything about Silver Ace As kid stumbled across parts things like props time time think Fokker Tri-M too will ask AMA Museum curator get touch because doubt have anything much about Ideal Wading River etc McIntosh Winter AMA Museum curator Mr Hurst Bowers has already sent letter hope answer soon kindly offered provide home early Scale model replicas am honored offer retired will gladly offer Turn model upside down slip main wing brace wire anchor place over thetwo lowerfuselagestickssowhenfinally position itwillfltsnuglyagainstthe inside rear supports landing gear museum gifts Lets hope though column will bring responses people originals also plans catalogs etc Hopefully will something US Model Phipps less well-known companies early 1 900s thought about Ideal EveryBoys maybe some justification building look-alike very minor changes wing attack angie thrust line etc modern materials less weight better CG lo cation replicas might fly builders 1920s dreamed would remember Silver Ace ads very well friend Glenn Ledger has cat Slip Inner ribs over straight ends two 1/s x 1/4-in sticks convex edge rib grooves sticks face upward illustration Press ribs grooves spars lock place pushing small tongues upward edge penknife alogsperhaps 1928that has instructions flying models stretch-winding etc shows least picture Silver Ace flight wing has twice dihedral shown other picturesprobably due mounting pins thin music wire As recall basic high-wing monoplane add-ons make biplane trimotor floatplane seaplane wish Im sure can have Xerox copy Glenn might willing loan Winter McIntosh looks like De cember column will include pitch about museum suggestion others good material should help out least well invite Thecoverof 1921 Ideal ModelAeroplane catalog Ideal made kits over 40 years column appears would good time suggest modernized EveryBoys magazines coulduse column show what looked like what said about Glenn would risk showing catalog Id have office Xerox entire thing Other wise Id glad get whatever Xerox copies Place wire rim over wing frame shown Slip short bent end depression inner rib place wire notches other three ribs notches end sticks Pinch tips ribs togetherto hold place info can supply . may able run reasonable copies print some stuff Silver Ace Catalog have some knowledge old firms seems imperative before vanish some us should try least list known companies names addresses dates general remarks about what did already lost information never known anyone alive unless something Ive seen reference US Models mention first have seen Phipps see 74-year-old man doesnt know can move some distance Ill what can arrange historical article exhibit via editors still know AMA museum etc McIntosh Winter should now have copy Silver Ace Catalog Glenn Ledger brought copy instructions Silver Ace Flamingo Ive enclosed letter list Aero Model Prod ucts Co ads American Boy also enclosed first ad ModelAirplane News also shown whether continued Continued page 30 December 1986 29 Mo deI Ajrop1 anes - Supplies 1921 IDEAL AEROPLANE & SUPPLY Co 6567 West Houston St 1 NEW YORK CITY Poles Assbjet chon Wtst Nods I- ARE SHOOTING DOWN HIGH BALSA PRICES WITH SUPER QUALITY Satisfaction Guaranteed Direct Only BALSA SHEETS 36 46 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About 15 years ago found friend work Glenn Ledger interested airplanes made pleasant coffee-break discussions Turned out Glenn especially interested history planes Twenties Thirties side interest models Remembering little variety store NN~ tach wings tho fuselage slipping tho projecting ends wing spars sleeves cowling Turn model upside down attach fourlowershort brace wirestothe holes anchoron fuselage holes wing clips stacks cheap kits Thirties led question manufacturers went Ponds Flying Scale Rubber Model Plans Lists came last list mentioned above Both Glenn subscribed American Boy about same time enjoyed remembering adsfrom Crack etjack fleet Baby ROGs big Ideal models well model articles flying stories full-page Ford Trimotor ads agreed something should done keep being forgotten Glenn obtained micro films American Boy started indexing everything could find aviation 1924 1934 enjoyed rereading num ber old stories Well Jim Noonan indexed AMLA articles also some earlier articles Bill 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plans John Ponds list has best source Occasionally hear people early Scale plans Ponds list Its pleasure share experiences data Now admission As see Im reader model builder Still some time goes building Now usually hardwood reed wire type early models behave could expected reported flight char acteristics early aircraft look align ment surfaces before flight check see propeller shaft bent hope ground loop wont prevent takeoff perhaps break prop hold breath hoping model wont get too high maladjustment little wind may cause aOonraa6c,0 ceacin Slip split-clip lower part rudder through slot back rudder post bend projecting tongues clip back against sides rudder post first side other side just shown illustration No balsa used basswood common has get back down before can stall dive case may model flies perhaps 70 100 ft makes safe landing quite rewarding random Buried boxes Wading River White catalogs dated 1912 glossy paper numerous line halftone repro ductions include vast variety parts supplieschain drives example Obviously still earlier catalogs must exist About six years ago drawing heavily Hertz book biggie phone conversations Charlie Grant did ModelRetailer article called Giants Days much artwork Charlie phoned long dis tance times talked long 2 hours single callabout modeling Twenties companies turned out 300000 ready-to-fly models yearly 1920 1930 beautiful flew amazingly wellI know because flew Formedsheet wings aluminum ribs carved aluminum props paintedI got much 650 ft straight line Charlie now past 90 Inci dentally flew tractor stick over 2000 ft back about 1917 AMA has him tape film get story broader picture what never can know someone should con tinue tape himand must bring least 25 tapes Pioneers warm up after five tapes Hertz book library Modeling today unified thanks great magazines old days left hand did know what right hand doing possible Ideal White Wading River perhaps dozen others sold millions kits basswood bradded nailed together no glue bamboo reedbasically similar 20 years say 1909 1920 Grant using Continued page 141 34Model Aviation save money help AMA NEW PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES CONTRIBUTION OF 15% TO AMA * Order checks through us AMA logo optional * .and 15% purchase price will donated AMA name unique new concept way both yourself AMA result new no-cost partnership have major check printing service members Now can get personalized checks imprinted AMA logo optional prices compara ble lower bank charges will probably save moneyl Best 15% purchase price will come AMA contribution instead bank profit youll receive same high quality processing guarantees youre used Re member asking buy anything already buying just buy through AMA Just thinkl member ordered checks through us uld generate $150000 annually help avoid future dues increases Order now help AMA earn new income keep ad supply checks until re ready re-order customer service call 1-800-328-6795 ext 439 ORDER AMA CHECKS HERE TOI AMA CHECKSI 200 Wallet-Style OX 69 Deposit 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highway en trance field Dick Roe wrote above account present club field accident happened tried summon help means CB Channel 9 .and got absolute ly nothing dont count CB much help Have safe month John Preston c/o AMA 1810 Samuel Morse Dr Reston VA 22090 Plane Talk/Winter Continued page 34 balsa wings200O00 RTFs ready-to-fly year Two different cultures seldom crossing late 20s American Boy tied Aeroplane Model League America AMAs predecessor over 300000 members contests Nationalsand fine flying balsa cement tissue aircraft Lind bergh flew Atlantic result Bernar MacFaddens start-up Model Air plane News fusion point According Rockefeller Foundation 2000000 us Air Youth Thirties What sparked Air Youth masses modelers created across nation Hearst newspapers Junior Birdmen Scripps-Howard papers Junior Aviators followed Lindbergh turned worldmodel full-scale long last things came gether reinforced magazines like Flying Aces Air Trails monster larger audience current magazines combined white-hot progress became commercially case devil take hindmost almost gone now old ones think Ray Arden flying Gas model across Van Courtland Park 1904 Merrill Ham burg made AMLA Jim Walkerthe magician showmanship Joe Ott few us yet Charlie Grant Bert Pond am convinced anyone will salvage history Does anyone care care Bill Winter 4432 Altura Ct Fairfax VA 22030 Editor last Bill Winters Plane Talk columns Bill has already written num ber effect news spreads like wildfire words may sound like something youve heard before Certainly Bill no spring chicken though has cleverly disguised years has reached stage life does enjoy meeting deadlines . keeping files sufficient order able draw column material put nutshell wants rest have wondered out loud Bill will happy doing lifes workwriting and/or editing enjoyment othersand have suggested him possibility continuing column irregular basis said no though responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation remain ready consider alternatives column no seems case suggest readers should mourn its passing Instead think grateful pleasurable reading Bill Winter has provided us years Carl Wheeley Editor Publisher Atrix/Michaelis Continued page 46 tically Shape hatch Groove under side cables can pass over former Add contoured area saddle An optional skid can set slot during construction Goldberg wing skids can go after finish covering Drill shallow holes rudder cable tubes Inset trim flush Attach hold-downs temporarily make template scrap Y16 ply holes spaced match hold-down taps Place position interior bottom mark drilling Make slots about long easily locate taps through fuselage underside Shape fin fine sand fin fuselage hatch using Model Magic filler needed Tex covering excellent both fuse lage fin stretches shrinks wears better unreinforced films Three four thinly-brushed coats clear poly urethane colored stuff makes look like molding Light fiberglass cloth can used too seam bottom extend over hatch saddle areas Heat stretch like crazy nose Attach 1/56 x -in seating tape finished saddle Continued page 144 December 1986 141
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Bill Winter Plane Talk PICTURE WORLD magazines Would hobby exist Youd have say no answer yes would thrive would clubs contests companies tiny its true some would giants out would come magazines spiraling growth has happened before beginning pre-1910 clubs things passing Aero magazines long gone Suppose acquire first model plane 1986 No town has except tiny ad some general magazine catalog order no evidence yours model world will two years before see anyone else model 1986 16 made model two years ago will 59 years before will see photo model built another 38 AMA average age built model 24 years ago 1962 will 37 years before see such photos 60 built model 46 years ago wont see photo same model another 14 years first model Ideal EveryBoys Monoplane Id seen Popular Mechanics 1in ad Ideal sketch Jenny DH 4 great bull-nosed radiator DH-4 Vein Mcintosh Ideal Taube Wright Flier 1984 Flying Aces Club meet Detroit Early Ideal models made extensive use reed curved pieces Its use Wrighttakes libertieswlth scale butdoes yoemans job tyingtogethera convenienttrike gear motor sticks forward biplane canard Motor sticks incline downthrust 5 otherwise wont take off Winter says pine etc props often carved scratch builders An Ideal 6-ft Bleriot also Detroit 1984 just its ready lift off Winter says lip service given flying instructions no mention CG sometimes saying could bend elevators Consequently took Winter year models find out rudi mentary factors No model magazines didnt discover American Boy until 1929 year MAN introduced gas model flown 1904 before born people flew rubber jobs much 2000 ft communications problem Winter says Ideals forte kit designing airplane designing line illustrations scattered throughout instructions condensed originals should give idea well thought out kit Instructions Remove four longest wood pieces also nose plate bulkheads 1 2 3 4 Attach two long wood sticks top bulk heads slipping short side edges bulkheads intothegroovescutinthesticks Lock bending projecting tongues over sticks Add two bottom sticks Smithsonian has full-scale still awes price $750 course wanted father spring 1927 $750 major money graduated grade school gave EveryBoys Mono plane instead cost precious $650 marvelous thinga triumph kit engineering some ways never equalled kit included numerous prefab aluminum parts lovely 10-in Paulownia wood prop good ball-bearing shaft assembly nice rubbertire wheels bamboo paper covering dope believe banana oilthat could buy old-fashioned hardware stores model far overpowered gave rope finest rubber Kits complete days because tarnation could anyone find supplemen tary items today would comprise long list label After supper went off play ball father thing Eighth Wonder World assembled covered ER before got home 10 oclock rigging wires king post turnbuckles take up slack true riggingwhat job warp would never again touch model airplane next day flew tried fly realize now Flying instructions short paragraph No mention CG what S iT.4-l-- CS 4 flCCt flWE s Slip front ends sticks respective grooves nose plate four sticks must correct corners nose plate shown after bend tongues inward lock sticks place 26 Model Aviation adjust machine note could bend down elevators took off rush within 50 feet abruptly nosed up whipstall assume dived Its life must have short tragic though remember dry white cracks rubber overwinding hand must have flown once got off ground such incredible kit etched memories never fade got no kits years driven took two years make model would flyit went 70 ft did know anything about design aerodynamics existed still ignore aerodynamicsI kid Augnst 1961 MANI published article S0S Mar bY Fit rear ends fuselage sticks rudder post two tongues slip grooves sticks Lock sticks place pressing two side pieces Inward until nearlytogether asking thesewere 10 greatest Iknow Zipper Rudder Bug Yates Madman CL Stunter probably Cahills rubber Wake Clodhopper 1912 Cecil Peoli racer twin pusher lasted until 1930s Peoli became show pilot killed Japan 1913 include EveryBoys Monoplane article just came home roost will see Ideal EveryBoys model airplane dream planes Vein McIntosh Por tage MI tells us As now have original EB hand am happily looking forward building flying replica However what Ive heard about flight characteristics isnt good Herb Kelley built EveryBoys 0 4 Place aluminum cowling position making flush nose plate Slip radiator over nose plate over front edge cowling Bend tongue out back lock radiator its place Twenties didnt have good results plane stalled dived finally wrecked Marion McClure owner model Im copying built EB several years ago original kit also trouble stalling diving gave up trials avoid destruction irreplaceable model Cavanaugh writing Aerial Age April 9 1917 apparently referring Scale models says notable exception model seen adjusted fly stably under power dived less steeply ground power ran out article Greatest December1986 27 Mcintosh attaches wing 6-ft Ble riot built Ideal Plan B dated 1917 Tiny vertical tall virtually flat dihedral didnt make things easier Functional sure Yes Bleriot did use landing gear tail skid types shown picture L R An AMLA Baby ROG Vein built September 196740 years after made first Baby ROG 3-ft Ideal Taube built May1975 12-in MegowSPAD middleyears An Ideal Curtiss Military tractor Model exhibit store Ideal kits sold Two aluminum sleeves hold wing spars should slipped place inside cowling projecting tongues ends bent down flush cowling looking sleeves position Vein goes say say EB finished job looked flew fine Id really appreciate anything could tell about model own experience Ideal models ginning about 10 years ago Taube reduced rubber flies well makes decent landing still under power 16 strands Y16 flat called climbs turns lands surprisingly flat attitude Bleriot 1911 very carefully ad justed will make 70- 100-ft flight sag down still partly wound flat landing 2 up elevator zooms stalls Neither weight nose nor downthrust makes less sensitive Anyhow point alter models obtaln flights typical Twenties picture EB Xerox instruction sheet enclosed reminder old times Winter McIntosh material tremendous surprise Like old song re member well some things prove different What involved Ideal thing noble unique effort much thought work must have gone its structural tricks As say too bad did fly well V although known such things probably would have made go must have carried away old MAN copy said flew fine got airborne made terrific impact because never seen anything fly took two summers create something own flew beyond 70 ft think trouble was tremendously overpowered though dont know now might have heavy well time Rubber Scale jobs tended much heavier took power like power bursts thereby magnified adjustment problemsand didnt know first thing about balance Mine took off rush got out about 50 ft stalledrather whiplike indicative some negative pitching moment curve know now could make fly now / WICK CROSS flACK WNOW VSOAMO LaS . -Q S/T Axle installation Slip axle through larger holes landing gear attach brace wire through smaller holes Install wheelsfnuts isnt too heavy dont know what happened mineperhaps broke up What say about other Ideal models interests meespecially Wright Flier dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assure good flight did kit design seemed learn Eaglet circa 1930 Evidently folks got stuff well before did tiny line-sketch ad Popular Mechanics caught first attention Looking photo would say outlines etc viable suspect tailheavy Sure acted way McIntosh Winter description flight characteristics Ideal EveryBoys Aeroplane agrees other two reports plane takes off flies less far stalls As say now could make fly Twenties though remedies have heard adjust elevator little Ideals instructions reduce amount rub ber used inferred Allens book Ideal models also told HL Kelley 28 Model Aviation Ideal Boys Monoplane kitted 1927 authorssfirst airplane roughly 3-ft span Winter says partially prefabbed formed aluminum parts kit fascinated father Pop completed covering four hours Junior played ball carved prop ball bearing shaft aluminum rubber-tired wheels rope fine rubber cost staggering $650 liquids Ideal number truly big firms mass-produced kits mostly Scale roughly 1909 1930s model picture exists belongs builder Marion McClure photo coming Bill Vein Mcintosh other ancients went contests 1920s specializes today building flying otherwise forgotten classics Theres much heady stuff text example Wright Flier proved best flier special breed historic Rubber Scale jobs Fasten two V-shaped sides land ing gear fuselage four clips Pressing tongues clip secures landing gear fuselage Vein built Deperdussin based photo found 1920 Wading River catalog tOfCC *0C* Mount mast overthe hole cowling using special mast Clips bending tongues over done landing gear advice given him during contest Twenties add weight bring balance point forward Ideal never says anything about model should balance EveryBoys added weight would overburden already quite heavy model As changing thrust line Ideal recommends aligning propeller bearing carefully rubber motor goes thought downthrust Wright bi plane flies very stably makes excel lent landings motor sticks aimed quite few degrees above wings angie incidence downthrust pusher angie turns out important wrong 50 less Excuse plans Verrills book very tiny model wouldnt take off until corrected Back EB guess Ill make up plans try have model season still love looks admire way its built Thread propeller shaft through slotted opening nose plate Remove rubber motor box take off rubberbands hold strands together Turn model upside down Let rubber strands slip through openings bulkheads Nos 1 2 3 attaching end hook bulkhead No 4 other prop shaft hook Thanks saying dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assuring good flight did kit design Ive heard said people spend effort doing what know best Ideal could did make wonderful precision drawings well-crafted kits did really know much about flight LE Opdycke kindly printed pictures 6-ft Bleriot Wright ones en closed WWIAero July 1985 put touch two people mentioned letter Am also including photo US Model Deperdussin based photo 1920 catalog Thought building attractive Antoinette might turn out good flier would much guesswork AnD o,ns Slip prop onto shaft name Ideal facing front Install nut washer tighten prongs should fit snugly against side prop hub prevent prop turning shaft involved building catalog picture alone couldnt say would behave like original Ideal plans arent hard find early US Model plans seem have lost Winter McIntosh got magnificent pictures Just wonderful what oppor tunity show present-day modelers roots .. know anything about Silver Ace As kid stumbled across parts things like props time time think Fokker Tri-M too will ask AMA Museum curator get touch because doubt have anything much about Ideal Wading River etc McIntosh Winter AMA Museum curator Mr Hurst Bowers has already sent letter hope answer soon kindly offered provide home early Scale model replicas am honored offer retired will gladly offer Turn model upside down slip main wing brace wire anchor place over thetwo lowerfuselagestickssowhenfinally position itwillfltsnuglyagainstthe inside rear supports landing gear museum gifts Lets hope though column will bring responses people originals also plans catalogs etc Hopefully will something US Model Phipps less well-known companies early 1 900s thought about Ideal EveryBoys maybe some justification building look-alike very minor changes wing attack angie thrust line etc modern materials less weight better CG lo cation replicas might fly builders 1920s dreamed would remember Silver Ace ads very well friend Glenn Ledger has cat Slip Inner ribs over straight ends two 1/s x 1/4-in sticks convex edge rib grooves sticks face upward illustration Press ribs grooves spars lock place pushing small tongues upward edge penknife alogsperhaps 1928that has instructions flying models stretch-winding etc shows least picture Silver Ace flight wing has twice dihedral shown other picturesprobably due mounting pins thin music wire As recall basic high-wing monoplane add-ons make biplane trimotor floatplane seaplane wish Im sure can have Xerox copy Glenn might willing loan Winter McIntosh looks like De cember column will include pitch about museum suggestion others good material should help out least well invite Thecoverof 1921 Ideal ModelAeroplane catalog Ideal made kits over 40 years column appears would good time suggest modernized EveryBoys magazines coulduse column show what looked like what said about Glenn would risk showing catalog Id have office Xerox entire thing Other wise Id glad get whatever Xerox copies Place wire rim over wing frame shown Slip short bent end depression inner rib place wire notches other three ribs notches end sticks Pinch tips ribs togetherto hold place info can supply . may able run reasonable copies print some stuff Silver Ace Catalog have some knowledge old firms seems imperative before vanish some us should try least list known companies names addresses dates general remarks about what did already lost information never known anyone alive unless something Ive seen reference US Models mention first have seen Phipps see 74-year-old man doesnt know can move some distance Ill what can arrange historical article exhibit via editors still know AMA museum etc McIntosh Winter should now have copy Silver Ace Catalog Glenn Ledger brought copy instructions Silver Ace Flamingo Ive enclosed letter list Aero Model Prod ucts Co ads American Boy also enclosed first ad ModelAirplane News also shown whether continued Continued page 30 December 1986 29 Mo deI Ajrop1 anes - Supplies 1921 IDEAL AEROPLANE & SUPPLY Co 6567 West Houston St 1 NEW YORK CITY Poles Assbjet chon Wtst Nods I- ARE SHOOTING DOWN HIGH BALSA PRICES WITH SUPER QUALITY Satisfaction Guaranteed Direct Only BALSA SHEETS 36 46 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About 15 years ago found friend work Glenn Ledger interested airplanes made pleasant coffee-break discussions Turned out Glenn especially interested history planes Twenties Thirties side interest models Remembering little variety store NN~ tach wings tho fuselage slipping tho projecting ends wing spars sleeves cowling Turn model upside down attach fourlowershort brace wirestothe holes anchoron fuselage holes wing clips stacks cheap kits Thirties led question manufacturers went Ponds Flying Scale Rubber Model Plans Lists came last list mentioned above Both Glenn subscribed American Boy about same time enjoyed remembering adsfrom Crack etjack fleet Baby ROGs big Ideal models well model articles flying stories full-page Ford Trimotor ads agreed something should done keep being forgotten Glenn obtained micro films American Boy started indexing everything could find aviation 1924 1934 enjoyed rereading num ber old stories Well Jim Noonan indexed AMLA articles also some earlier articles Bill 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plans John Ponds list has best source Occasionally hear people early Scale plans Ponds list Its pleasure share experiences data Now admission As see Im reader model builder Still some time goes building Now usually hardwood reed wire type early models behave could expected reported flight char acteristics early aircraft look align ment surfaces before flight check see propeller shaft bent hope ground loop wont prevent takeoff perhaps break prop hold breath hoping model wont get too high maladjustment little wind may cause aOonraa6c,0 ceacin Slip split-clip lower part rudder through slot back rudder post bend projecting tongues clip back against sides rudder post first side other side just shown illustration No balsa used basswood common has get back down before can stall dive case may model flies perhaps 70 100 ft makes safe landing quite rewarding random Buried boxes Wading River White catalogs dated 1912 glossy paper numerous line halftone repro ductions include vast variety parts supplieschain drives example Obviously still earlier catalogs must exist About six years ago drawing heavily Hertz book biggie phone conversations Charlie Grant did ModelRetailer article called Giants Days much artwork Charlie phoned long dis tance times talked long 2 hours single callabout modeling Twenties companies turned out 300000 ready-to-fly models yearly 1920 1930 beautiful flew amazingly wellI know because flew Formedsheet wings aluminum ribs carved aluminum props paintedI got much 650 ft straight line Charlie now past 90 Inci dentally flew tractor stick over 2000 ft back about 1917 AMA has him tape film get story broader picture what never can know someone should con tinue tape himand must bring least 25 tapes Pioneers warm up after five tapes Hertz book library Modeling today unified thanks great magazines old days left hand did know what right hand doing possible Ideal White Wading River perhaps dozen others sold millions kits basswood bradded nailed together no glue bamboo reedbasically similar 20 years say 1909 1920 Grant using Continued page 141 34Model Aviation save money help AMA NEW PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES CONTRIBUTION OF 15% TO AMA * Order checks through us AMA logo optional * .and 15% purchase price will donated AMA name unique new concept way both yourself AMA result new no-cost partnership have major check printing service members Now can get personalized checks imprinted AMA logo optional prices compara ble lower bank charges will probably save moneyl Best 15% purchase price will come AMA contribution instead bank profit youll receive same high quality processing guarantees youre used Re member asking buy anything already buying just buy through AMA Just thinkl member ordered checks through us uld generate $150000 annually help avoid future dues increases Order now help AMA earn new income keep ad supply checks until re ready re-order customer service call 1-800-328-6795 ext 439 ORDER AMA CHECKS HERE TOI AMA CHECKSI 200 Wallet-Style OX 69 Deposit 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highway en trance field Dick Roe wrote above account present club field accident happened tried summon help means CB Channel 9 .and got absolute ly nothing dont count CB much help Have safe month John Preston c/o AMA 1810 Samuel Morse Dr Reston VA 22090 Plane Talk/Winter Continued page 34 balsa wings200O00 RTFs ready-to-fly year Two different cultures seldom crossing late 20s American Boy tied Aeroplane Model League America AMAs predecessor over 300000 members contests Nationalsand fine flying balsa cement tissue aircraft Lind bergh flew Atlantic result Bernar MacFaddens start-up Model Air plane News fusion point According Rockefeller Foundation 2000000 us Air Youth Thirties What sparked Air Youth masses modelers created across nation Hearst newspapers Junior Birdmen Scripps-Howard papers Junior Aviators followed Lindbergh turned worldmodel full-scale long last things came gether reinforced magazines like Flying Aces Air Trails monster larger audience current magazines combined white-hot progress became commercially case devil take hindmost almost gone now old ones think Ray Arden flying Gas model across Van Courtland Park 1904 Merrill Ham burg made AMLA Jim Walkerthe magician showmanship Joe Ott few us yet Charlie Grant Bert Pond am convinced anyone will salvage history Does anyone care care Bill Winter 4432 Altura Ct Fairfax VA 22030 Editor last Bill Winters Plane Talk columns Bill has already written num ber effect news spreads like wildfire words may sound like something youve heard before Certainly Bill no spring chicken though has cleverly disguised years has reached stage life does enjoy meeting deadlines . keeping files sufficient order able draw column material put nutshell wants rest have wondered out loud Bill will happy doing lifes workwriting and/or editing enjoyment othersand have suggested him possibility continuing column irregular basis said no though responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation remain ready consider alternatives column no seems case suggest readers should mourn its passing Instead think grateful pleasurable reading Bill Winter has provided us years Carl Wheeley Editor Publisher Atrix/Michaelis Continued page 46 tically Shape hatch Groove under side cables can pass over former Add contoured area saddle An optional skid can set slot during construction Goldberg wing skids can go after finish covering Drill shallow holes rudder cable tubes Inset trim flush Attach hold-downs temporarily make template scrap Y16 ply holes spaced match hold-down taps Place position interior bottom mark drilling Make slots about long easily locate taps through fuselage underside Shape fin fine sand fin fuselage hatch using Model Magic filler needed Tex covering excellent both fuse lage fin stretches shrinks wears better unreinforced films Three four thinly-brushed coats clear poly urethane colored stuff makes look like molding Light fiberglass cloth can used too seam bottom extend over hatch saddle areas Heat stretch like crazy nose Attach 1/56 x -in seating tape finished saddle Continued page 144 December 1986 141
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Bill Winter Plane Talk PICTURE WORLD magazines Would hobby exist Youd have say no answer yes would thrive would clubs contests companies tiny its true some would giants out would come magazines spiraling growth has happened before beginning pre-1910 clubs things passing Aero magazines long gone Suppose acquire first model plane 1986 No town has except tiny ad some general magazine catalog order no evidence yours model world will two years before see anyone else model 1986 16 made model two years ago will 59 years before will see photo model built another 38 AMA average age built model 24 years ago 1962 will 37 years before see such photos 60 built model 46 years ago wont see photo same model another 14 years first model Ideal EveryBoys Monoplane Id seen Popular Mechanics 1in ad Ideal sketch Jenny DH 4 great bull-nosed radiator DH-4 Vein Mcintosh Ideal Taube Wright Flier 1984 Flying Aces Club meet Detroit Early Ideal models made extensive use reed curved pieces Its use Wrighttakes libertieswlth scale butdoes yoemans job tyingtogethera convenienttrike gear motor sticks forward biplane canard Motor sticks incline downthrust 5 otherwise wont take off Winter says pine etc props often carved scratch builders An Ideal 6-ft Bleriot also Detroit 1984 just its ready lift off Winter says lip service given flying instructions no mention CG sometimes saying could bend elevators Consequently took Winter year models find out rudi mentary factors No model magazines didnt discover American Boy until 1929 year MAN introduced gas model flown 1904 before born people flew rubber jobs much 2000 ft communications problem Winter says Ideals forte kit designing airplane designing line illustrations scattered throughout instructions condensed originals should give idea well thought out kit Instructions Remove four longest wood pieces also nose plate bulkheads 1 2 3 4 Attach two long wood sticks top bulk heads slipping short side edges bulkheads intothegroovescutinthesticks Lock bending projecting tongues over sticks Add two bottom sticks Smithsonian has full-scale still awes price $750 course wanted father spring 1927 $750 major money graduated grade school gave EveryBoys Mono plane instead cost precious $650 marvelous thinga triumph kit engineering some ways never equalled kit included numerous prefab aluminum parts lovely 10-in Paulownia wood prop good ball-bearing shaft assembly nice rubbertire wheels bamboo paper covering dope believe banana oilthat could buy old-fashioned hardware stores model far overpowered gave rope finest rubber Kits complete days because tarnation could anyone find supplemen tary items today would comprise long list label After supper went off play ball father thing Eighth Wonder World assembled covered ER before got home 10 oclock rigging wires king post turnbuckles take up slack true riggingwhat job warp would never again touch model airplane next day flew tried fly realize now Flying instructions short paragraph No mention CG what S iT.4-l-- CS 4 flCCt flWE s Slip front ends sticks respective grooves nose plate four sticks must correct corners nose plate shown after bend tongues inward lock sticks place 26 Model Aviation adjust machine note could bend down elevators took off rush within 50 feet abruptly nosed up whipstall assume dived Its life must have short tragic though remember dry white cracks rubber overwinding hand must have flown once got off ground such incredible kit etched memories never fade got no kits years driven took two years make model would flyit went 70 ft did know anything about design aerodynamics existed still ignore aerodynamicsI kid Augnst 1961 MANI published article S0S Mar bY Fit rear ends fuselage sticks rudder post two tongues slip grooves sticks Lock sticks place pressing two side pieces Inward until nearlytogether asking thesewere 10 greatest Iknow Zipper Rudder Bug Yates Madman CL Stunter probably Cahills rubber Wake Clodhopper 1912 Cecil Peoli racer twin pusher lasted until 1930s Peoli became show pilot killed Japan 1913 include EveryBoys Monoplane article just came home roost will see Ideal EveryBoys model airplane dream planes Vein McIntosh Por tage MI tells us As now have original EB hand am happily looking forward building flying replica However what Ive heard about flight characteristics isnt good Herb Kelley built EveryBoys 0 4 Place aluminum cowling position making flush nose plate Slip radiator over nose plate over front edge cowling Bend tongue out back lock radiator its place Twenties didnt have good results plane stalled dived finally wrecked Marion McClure owner model Im copying built EB several years ago original kit also trouble stalling diving gave up trials avoid destruction irreplaceable model Cavanaugh writing Aerial Age April 9 1917 apparently referring Scale models says notable exception model seen adjusted fly stably under power dived less steeply ground power ran out article Greatest December1986 27 Mcintosh attaches wing 6-ft Ble riot built Ideal Plan B dated 1917 Tiny vertical tall virtually flat dihedral didnt make things easier Functional sure Yes Bleriot did use landing gear tail skid types shown picture L R An AMLA Baby ROG Vein built September 196740 years after made first Baby ROG 3-ft Ideal Taube built May1975 12-in MegowSPAD middleyears An Ideal Curtiss Military tractor Model exhibit store Ideal kits sold Two aluminum sleeves hold wing spars should slipped place inside cowling projecting tongues ends bent down flush cowling looking sleeves position Vein goes say say EB finished job looked flew fine Id really appreciate anything could tell about model own experience Ideal models ginning about 10 years ago Taube reduced rubber flies well makes decent landing still under power 16 strands Y16 flat called climbs turns lands surprisingly flat attitude Bleriot 1911 very carefully ad justed will make 70- 100-ft flight sag down still partly wound flat landing 2 up elevator zooms stalls Neither weight nose nor downthrust makes less sensitive Anyhow point alter models obtaln flights typical Twenties picture EB Xerox instruction sheet enclosed reminder old times Winter McIntosh material tremendous surprise Like old song re member well some things prove different What involved Ideal thing noble unique effort much thought work must have gone its structural tricks As say too bad did fly well V although known such things probably would have made go must have carried away old MAN copy said flew fine got airborne made terrific impact because never seen anything fly took two summers create something own flew beyond 70 ft think trouble was tremendously overpowered though dont know now might have heavy well time Rubber Scale jobs tended much heavier took power like power bursts thereby magnified adjustment problemsand didnt know first thing about balance Mine took off rush got out about 50 ft stalledrather whiplike indicative some negative pitching moment curve know now could make fly now / WICK CROSS flACK WNOW VSOAMO LaS . -Q S/T Axle installation Slip axle through larger holes landing gear attach brace wire through smaller holes Install wheelsfnuts isnt too heavy dont know what happened mineperhaps broke up What say about other Ideal models interests meespecially Wright Flier dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assure good flight did kit design seemed learn Eaglet circa 1930 Evidently folks got stuff well before did tiny line-sketch ad Popular Mechanics caught first attention Looking photo would say outlines etc viable suspect tailheavy Sure acted way McIntosh Winter description flight characteristics Ideal EveryBoys Aeroplane agrees other two reports plane takes off flies less far stalls As say now could make fly Twenties though remedies have heard adjust elevator little Ideals instructions reduce amount rub ber used inferred Allens book Ideal models also told HL Kelley 28 Model Aviation Ideal Boys Monoplane kitted 1927 authorssfirst airplane roughly 3-ft span Winter says partially prefabbed formed aluminum parts kit fascinated father Pop completed covering four hours Junior played ball carved prop ball bearing shaft aluminum rubber-tired wheels rope fine rubber cost staggering $650 liquids Ideal number truly big firms mass-produced kits mostly Scale roughly 1909 1930s model picture exists belongs builder Marion McClure photo coming Bill Vein Mcintosh other ancients went contests 1920s specializes today building flying otherwise forgotten classics Theres much heady stuff text example Wright Flier proved best flier special breed historic Rubber Scale jobs Fasten two V-shaped sides land ing gear fuselage four clips Pressing tongues clip secures landing gear fuselage Vein built Deperdussin based photo found 1920 Wading River catalog tOfCC *0C* Mount mast overthe hole cowling using special mast Clips bending tongues over done landing gear advice given him during contest Twenties add weight bring balance point forward Ideal never says anything about model should balance EveryBoys added weight would overburden already quite heavy model As changing thrust line Ideal recommends aligning propeller bearing carefully rubber motor goes thought downthrust Wright bi plane flies very stably makes excel lent landings motor sticks aimed quite few degrees above wings angie incidence downthrust pusher angie turns out important wrong 50 less Excuse plans Verrills book very tiny model wouldnt take off until corrected Back EB guess Ill make up plans try have model season still love looks admire way its built Thread propeller shaft through slotted opening nose plate Remove rubber motor box take off rubberbands hold strands together Turn model upside down Let rubber strands slip through openings bulkheads Nos 1 2 3 attaching end hook bulkhead No 4 other prop shaft hook Thanks saying dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assuring good flight did kit design Ive heard said people spend effort doing what know best Ideal could did make wonderful precision drawings well-crafted kits did really know much about flight LE Opdycke kindly printed pictures 6-ft Bleriot Wright ones en closed WWIAero July 1985 put touch two people mentioned letter Am also including photo US Model Deperdussin based photo 1920 catalog Thought building attractive Antoinette might turn out good flier would much guesswork AnD o,ns Slip prop onto shaft name Ideal facing front Install nut washer tighten prongs should fit snugly against side prop hub prevent prop turning shaft involved building catalog picture alone couldnt say would behave like original Ideal plans arent hard find early US Model plans seem have lost Winter McIntosh got magnificent pictures Just wonderful what oppor tunity show present-day modelers roots .. know anything about Silver Ace As kid stumbled across parts things like props time time think Fokker Tri-M too will ask AMA Museum curator get touch because doubt have anything much about Ideal Wading River etc McIntosh Winter AMA Museum curator Mr Hurst Bowers has already sent letter hope answer soon kindly offered provide home early Scale model replicas am honored offer retired will gladly offer Turn model upside down slip main wing brace wire anchor place over thetwo lowerfuselagestickssowhenfinally position itwillfltsnuglyagainstthe inside rear supports landing gear museum gifts Lets hope though column will bring responses people originals also plans catalogs etc Hopefully will something US Model Phipps less well-known companies early 1 900s thought about Ideal EveryBoys maybe some justification building look-alike very minor changes wing attack angie thrust line etc modern materials less weight better CG lo cation replicas might fly builders 1920s dreamed would remember Silver Ace ads very well friend Glenn Ledger has cat Slip Inner ribs over straight ends two 1/s x 1/4-in sticks convex edge rib grooves sticks face upward illustration Press ribs grooves spars lock place pushing small tongues upward edge penknife alogsperhaps 1928that has instructions flying models stretch-winding etc shows least picture Silver Ace flight wing has twice dihedral shown other picturesprobably due mounting pins thin music wire As recall basic high-wing monoplane add-ons make biplane trimotor floatplane seaplane wish Im sure can have Xerox copy Glenn might willing loan Winter McIntosh looks like De cember column will include pitch about museum suggestion others good material should help out least well invite Thecoverof 1921 Ideal ModelAeroplane catalog Ideal made kits over 40 years column appears would good time suggest modernized EveryBoys magazines coulduse column show what looked like what said about Glenn would risk showing catalog Id have office Xerox entire thing Other wise Id glad get whatever Xerox copies Place wire rim over wing frame shown Slip short bent end depression inner rib place wire notches other three ribs notches end sticks Pinch tips ribs togetherto hold place info can supply . may able run reasonable copies print some stuff Silver Ace Catalog have some knowledge old firms seems imperative before vanish some us should try least list known companies names addresses dates general remarks about what did already lost information never known anyone alive unless something Ive seen reference US Models mention first have seen Phipps see 74-year-old man doesnt know can move some distance Ill what can arrange historical article exhibit via editors still know AMA museum etc McIntosh Winter should now have copy Silver Ace Catalog Glenn Ledger brought copy instructions Silver Ace Flamingo Ive enclosed letter list Aero Model Prod ucts Co ads American Boy also enclosed first ad ModelAirplane News also shown whether continued Continued page 30 December 1986 29 Mo deI Ajrop1 anes - Supplies 1921 IDEAL AEROPLANE & SUPPLY Co 6567 West Houston St 1 NEW YORK CITY Poles Assbjet chon Wtst Nods I- ARE SHOOTING DOWN HIGH BALSA PRICES WITH SUPER QUALITY Satisfaction Guaranteed Direct Only BALSA SHEETS 36 46 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About 15 years ago found friend work Glenn Ledger interested airplanes made pleasant coffee-break discussions Turned out Glenn especially interested history planes Twenties Thirties side interest models Remembering little variety store NN~ tach wings tho fuselage slipping tho projecting ends wing spars sleeves cowling Turn model upside down attach fourlowershort brace wirestothe holes anchoron fuselage holes wing clips stacks cheap kits Thirties led question manufacturers went Ponds Flying Scale Rubber Model Plans Lists came last list mentioned above Both Glenn subscribed American Boy about same time enjoyed remembering adsfrom Crack etjack fleet Baby ROGs big Ideal models well model articles flying stories full-page Ford Trimotor ads agreed something should done keep being forgotten Glenn obtained micro films American Boy started indexing everything could find aviation 1924 1934 enjoyed rereading num ber old stories Well Jim Noonan indexed AMLA articles also some earlier articles Bill 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plans John Ponds list has best source Occasionally hear people early Scale plans Ponds list Its pleasure share experiences data Now admission As see Im reader model builder Still some time goes building Now usually hardwood reed wire type early models behave could expected reported flight char acteristics early aircraft look align ment surfaces before flight check see propeller shaft bent hope ground loop wont prevent takeoff perhaps break prop hold breath hoping model wont get too high maladjustment little wind may cause aOonraa6c,0 ceacin Slip split-clip lower part rudder through slot back rudder post bend projecting tongues clip back against sides rudder post first side other side just shown illustration No balsa used basswood common has get back down before can stall dive case may model flies perhaps 70 100 ft makes safe landing quite rewarding random Buried boxes Wading River White catalogs dated 1912 glossy paper numerous line halftone repro ductions include vast variety parts supplieschain drives example Obviously still earlier catalogs must exist About six years ago drawing heavily Hertz book biggie phone conversations Charlie Grant did ModelRetailer article called Giants Days much artwork Charlie phoned long dis tance times talked long 2 hours single callabout modeling Twenties companies turned out 300000 ready-to-fly models yearly 1920 1930 beautiful flew amazingly wellI know because flew Formedsheet wings aluminum ribs carved aluminum props paintedI got much 650 ft straight line Charlie now past 90 Inci dentally flew tractor stick over 2000 ft back about 1917 AMA has him tape film get story broader picture what never can know someone should con tinue tape himand must bring least 25 tapes Pioneers warm up after five tapes Hertz book library Modeling today unified thanks great magazines old days left hand did know what right hand doing possible Ideal White Wading River perhaps dozen others sold millions kits basswood bradded nailed together no glue bamboo reedbasically similar 20 years say 1909 1920 Grant using Continued page 141 34Model Aviation save money help AMA NEW PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES CONTRIBUTION OF 15% TO AMA * Order checks through us AMA logo optional * .and 15% purchase price will donated AMA name unique new concept way both yourself AMA result new no-cost partnership have major check printing service members Now can get personalized checks imprinted AMA logo optional prices compara ble lower bank charges will probably save moneyl Best 15% purchase price will come AMA contribution instead bank profit youll receive same high quality processing guarantees youre used Re member asking buy anything already buying just buy through AMA Just thinkl member ordered checks through us uld generate $150000 annually help avoid future dues increases Order now help AMA earn new income keep ad supply checks until re ready re-order customer service call 1-800-328-6795 ext 439 ORDER AMA CHECKS HERE TOI AMA CHECKSI 200 Wallet-Style OX 69 Deposit 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highway en trance field Dick Roe wrote above account present club field accident happened tried summon help means CB Channel 9 .and got absolute ly nothing dont count CB much help Have safe month John Preston c/o AMA 1810 Samuel Morse Dr Reston VA 22090 Plane Talk/Winter Continued page 34 balsa wings200O00 RTFs ready-to-fly year Two different cultures seldom crossing late 20s American Boy tied Aeroplane Model League America AMAs predecessor over 300000 members contests Nationalsand fine flying balsa cement tissue aircraft Lind bergh flew Atlantic result Bernar MacFaddens start-up Model Air plane News fusion point According Rockefeller Foundation 2000000 us Air Youth Thirties What sparked Air Youth masses modelers created across nation Hearst newspapers Junior Birdmen Scripps-Howard papers Junior Aviators followed Lindbergh turned worldmodel full-scale long last things came gether reinforced magazines like Flying Aces Air Trails monster larger audience current magazines combined white-hot progress became commercially case devil take hindmost almost gone now old ones think Ray Arden flying Gas model across Van Courtland Park 1904 Merrill Ham burg made AMLA Jim Walkerthe magician showmanship Joe Ott few us yet Charlie Grant Bert Pond am convinced anyone will salvage history Does anyone care care Bill Winter 4432 Altura Ct Fairfax VA 22030 Editor last Bill Winters Plane Talk columns Bill has already written num ber effect news spreads like wildfire words may sound like something youve heard before Certainly Bill no spring chicken though has cleverly disguised years has reached stage life does enjoy meeting deadlines . keeping files sufficient order able draw column material put nutshell wants rest have wondered out loud Bill will happy doing lifes workwriting and/or editing enjoyment othersand have suggested him possibility continuing column irregular basis said no though responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation remain ready consider alternatives column no seems case suggest readers should mourn its passing Instead think grateful pleasurable reading Bill Winter has provided us years Carl Wheeley Editor Publisher Atrix/Michaelis Continued page 46 tically Shape hatch Groove under side cables can pass over former Add contoured area saddle An optional skid can set slot during construction Goldberg wing skids can go after finish covering Drill shallow holes rudder cable tubes Inset trim flush Attach hold-downs temporarily make template scrap Y16 ply holes spaced match hold-down taps Place position interior bottom mark drilling Make slots about long easily locate taps through fuselage underside Shape fin fine sand fin fuselage hatch using Model Magic filler needed Tex covering excellent both fuse lage fin stretches shrinks wears better unreinforced films Three four thinly-brushed coats clear poly urethane colored stuff makes look like molding Light fiberglass cloth can used too seam bottom extend over hatch saddle areas Heat stretch like crazy nose Attach 1/56 x -in seating tape finished saddle Continued page 144 December 1986 141
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Bill Winter Plane Talk PICTURE WORLD magazines Would hobby exist Youd have say no answer yes would thrive would clubs contests companies tiny its true some would giants out would come magazines spiraling growth has happened before beginning pre-1910 clubs things passing Aero magazines long gone Suppose acquire first model plane 1986 No town has except tiny ad some general magazine catalog order no evidence yours model world will two years before see anyone else model 1986 16 made model two years ago will 59 years before will see photo model built another 38 AMA average age built model 24 years ago 1962 will 37 years before see such photos 60 built model 46 years ago wont see photo same model another 14 years first model Ideal EveryBoys Monoplane Id seen Popular Mechanics 1in ad Ideal sketch Jenny DH 4 great bull-nosed radiator DH-4 Vein Mcintosh Ideal Taube Wright Flier 1984 Flying Aces Club meet Detroit Early Ideal models made extensive use reed curved pieces Its use Wrighttakes libertieswlth scale butdoes yoemans job tyingtogethera convenienttrike gear motor sticks forward biplane canard Motor sticks incline downthrust 5 otherwise wont take off Winter says pine etc props often carved scratch builders An Ideal 6-ft Bleriot also Detroit 1984 just its ready lift off Winter says lip service given flying instructions no mention CG sometimes saying could bend elevators Consequently took Winter year models find out rudi mentary factors No model magazines didnt discover American Boy until 1929 year MAN introduced gas model flown 1904 before born people flew rubber jobs much 2000 ft communications problem Winter says Ideals forte kit designing airplane designing line illustrations scattered throughout instructions condensed originals should give idea well thought out kit Instructions Remove four longest wood pieces also nose plate bulkheads 1 2 3 4 Attach two long wood sticks top bulk heads slipping short side edges bulkheads intothegroovescutinthesticks Lock bending projecting tongues over sticks Add two bottom sticks Smithsonian has full-scale still awes price $750 course wanted father spring 1927 $750 major money graduated grade school gave EveryBoys Mono plane instead cost precious $650 marvelous thinga triumph kit engineering some ways never equalled kit included numerous prefab aluminum parts lovely 10-in Paulownia wood prop good ball-bearing shaft assembly nice rubbertire wheels bamboo paper covering dope believe banana oilthat could buy old-fashioned hardware stores model far overpowered gave rope finest rubber Kits complete days because tarnation could anyone find supplemen tary items today would comprise long list label After supper went off play ball father thing Eighth Wonder World assembled covered ER before got home 10 oclock rigging wires king post turnbuckles take up slack true riggingwhat job warp would never again touch model airplane next day flew tried fly realize now Flying instructions short paragraph No mention CG what S iT.4-l-- CS 4 flCCt flWE s Slip front ends sticks respective grooves nose plate four sticks must correct corners nose plate shown after bend tongues inward lock sticks place 26 Model Aviation adjust machine note could bend down elevators took off rush within 50 feet abruptly nosed up whipstall assume dived Its life must have short tragic though remember dry white cracks rubber overwinding hand must have flown once got off ground such incredible kit etched memories never fade got no kits years driven took two years make model would flyit went 70 ft did know anything about design aerodynamics existed still ignore aerodynamicsI kid Augnst 1961 MANI published article S0S Mar bY Fit rear ends fuselage sticks rudder post two tongues slip grooves sticks Lock sticks place pressing two side pieces Inward until nearlytogether asking thesewere 10 greatest Iknow Zipper Rudder Bug Yates Madman CL Stunter probably Cahills rubber Wake Clodhopper 1912 Cecil Peoli racer twin pusher lasted until 1930s Peoli became show pilot killed Japan 1913 include EveryBoys Monoplane article just came home roost will see Ideal EveryBoys model airplane dream planes Vein McIntosh Por tage MI tells us As now have original EB hand am happily looking forward building flying replica However what Ive heard about flight characteristics isnt good Herb Kelley built EveryBoys 0 4 Place aluminum cowling position making flush nose plate Slip radiator over nose plate over front edge cowling Bend tongue out back lock radiator its place Twenties didnt have good results plane stalled dived finally wrecked Marion McClure owner model Im copying built EB several years ago original kit also trouble stalling diving gave up trials avoid destruction irreplaceable model Cavanaugh writing Aerial Age April 9 1917 apparently referring Scale models says notable exception model seen adjusted fly stably under power dived less steeply ground power ran out article Greatest December1986 27 Mcintosh attaches wing 6-ft Ble riot built Ideal Plan B dated 1917 Tiny vertical tall virtually flat dihedral didnt make things easier Functional sure Yes Bleriot did use landing gear tail skid types shown picture L R An AMLA Baby ROG Vein built September 196740 years after made first Baby ROG 3-ft Ideal Taube built May1975 12-in MegowSPAD middleyears An Ideal Curtiss Military tractor Model exhibit store Ideal kits sold Two aluminum sleeves hold wing spars should slipped place inside cowling projecting tongues ends bent down flush cowling looking sleeves position Vein goes say say EB finished job looked flew fine Id really appreciate anything could tell about model own experience Ideal models ginning about 10 years ago Taube reduced rubber flies well makes decent landing still under power 16 strands Y16 flat called climbs turns lands surprisingly flat attitude Bleriot 1911 very carefully ad justed will make 70- 100-ft flight sag down still partly wound flat landing 2 up elevator zooms stalls Neither weight nose nor downthrust makes less sensitive Anyhow point alter models obtaln flights typical Twenties picture EB Xerox instruction sheet enclosed reminder old times Winter McIntosh material tremendous surprise Like old song re member well some things prove different What involved Ideal thing noble unique effort much thought work must have gone its structural tricks As say too bad did fly well V although known such things probably would have made go must have carried away old MAN copy said flew fine got airborne made terrific impact because never seen anything fly took two summers create something own flew beyond 70 ft think trouble was tremendously overpowered though dont know now might have heavy well time Rubber Scale jobs tended much heavier took power like power bursts thereby magnified adjustment problemsand didnt know first thing about balance Mine took off rush got out about 50 ft stalledrather whiplike indicative some negative pitching moment curve know now could make fly now / WICK CROSS flACK WNOW VSOAMO LaS . -Q S/T Axle installation Slip axle through larger holes landing gear attach brace wire through smaller holes Install wheelsfnuts isnt too heavy dont know what happened mineperhaps broke up What say about other Ideal models interests meespecially Wright Flier dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assure good flight did kit design seemed learn Eaglet circa 1930 Evidently folks got stuff well before did tiny line-sketch ad Popular Mechanics caught first attention Looking photo would say outlines etc viable suspect tailheavy Sure acted way McIntosh Winter description flight characteristics Ideal EveryBoys Aeroplane agrees other two reports plane takes off flies less far stalls As say now could make fly Twenties though remedies have heard adjust elevator little Ideals instructions reduce amount rub ber used inferred Allens book Ideal models also told HL Kelley 28 Model Aviation Ideal Boys Monoplane kitted 1927 authorssfirst airplane roughly 3-ft span Winter says partially prefabbed formed aluminum parts kit fascinated father Pop completed covering four hours Junior played ball carved prop ball bearing shaft aluminum rubber-tired wheels rope fine rubber cost staggering $650 liquids Ideal number truly big firms mass-produced kits mostly Scale roughly 1909 1930s model picture exists belongs builder Marion McClure photo coming Bill Vein Mcintosh other ancients went contests 1920s specializes today building flying otherwise forgotten classics Theres much heady stuff text example Wright Flier proved best flier special breed historic Rubber Scale jobs Fasten two V-shaped sides land ing gear fuselage four clips Pressing tongues clip secures landing gear fuselage Vein built Deperdussin based photo found 1920 Wading River catalog tOfCC *0C* Mount mast overthe hole cowling using special mast Clips bending tongues over done landing gear advice given him during contest Twenties add weight bring balance point forward Ideal never says anything about model should balance EveryBoys added weight would overburden already quite heavy model As changing thrust line Ideal recommends aligning propeller bearing carefully rubber motor goes thought downthrust Wright bi plane flies very stably makes excel lent landings motor sticks aimed quite few degrees above wings angie incidence downthrust pusher angie turns out important wrong 50 less Excuse plans Verrills book very tiny model wouldnt take off until corrected Back EB guess Ill make up plans try have model season still love looks admire way its built Thread propeller shaft through slotted opening nose plate Remove rubber motor box take off rubberbands hold strands together Turn model upside down Let rubber strands slip through openings bulkheads Nos 1 2 3 attaching end hook bulkhead No 4 other prop shaft hook Thanks saying dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assuring good flight did kit design Ive heard said people spend effort doing what know best Ideal could did make wonderful precision drawings well-crafted kits did really know much about flight LE Opdycke kindly printed pictures 6-ft Bleriot Wright ones en closed WWIAero July 1985 put touch two people mentioned letter Am also including photo US Model Deperdussin based photo 1920 catalog Thought building attractive Antoinette might turn out good flier would much guesswork AnD o,ns Slip prop onto shaft name Ideal facing front Install nut washer tighten prongs should fit snugly against side prop hub prevent prop turning shaft involved building catalog picture alone couldnt say would behave like original Ideal plans arent hard find early US Model plans seem have lost Winter McIntosh got magnificent pictures Just wonderful what oppor tunity show present-day modelers roots .. know anything about Silver Ace As kid stumbled across parts things like props time time think Fokker Tri-M too will ask AMA Museum curator get touch because doubt have anything much about Ideal Wading River etc McIntosh Winter AMA Museum curator Mr Hurst Bowers has already sent letter hope answer soon kindly offered provide home early Scale model replicas am honored offer retired will gladly offer Turn model upside down slip main wing brace wire anchor place over thetwo lowerfuselagestickssowhenfinally position itwillfltsnuglyagainstthe inside rear supports landing gear museum gifts Lets hope though column will bring responses people originals also plans catalogs etc Hopefully will something US Model Phipps less well-known companies early 1 900s thought about Ideal EveryBoys maybe some justification building look-alike very minor changes wing attack angie thrust line etc modern materials less weight better CG lo cation replicas might fly builders 1920s dreamed would remember Silver Ace ads very well friend Glenn Ledger has cat Slip Inner ribs over straight ends two 1/s x 1/4-in sticks convex edge rib grooves sticks face upward illustration Press ribs grooves spars lock place pushing small tongues upward edge penknife alogsperhaps 1928that has instructions flying models stretch-winding etc shows least picture Silver Ace flight wing has twice dihedral shown other picturesprobably due mounting pins thin music wire As recall basic high-wing monoplane add-ons make biplane trimotor floatplane seaplane wish Im sure can have Xerox copy Glenn might willing loan Winter McIntosh looks like De cember column will include pitch about museum suggestion others good material should help out least well invite Thecoverof 1921 Ideal ModelAeroplane catalog Ideal made kits over 40 years column appears would good time suggest modernized EveryBoys magazines coulduse column show what looked like what said about Glenn would risk showing catalog Id have office Xerox entire thing Other wise Id glad get whatever Xerox copies Place wire rim over wing frame shown Slip short bent end depression inner rib place wire notches other three ribs notches end sticks Pinch tips ribs togetherto hold place info can supply . may able run reasonable copies print some stuff Silver Ace Catalog have some knowledge old firms seems imperative before vanish some us should try least list known companies names addresses dates general remarks about what did already lost information never known anyone alive unless something Ive seen reference US Models mention first have seen Phipps see 74-year-old man doesnt know can move some distance Ill what can arrange historical article exhibit via editors still know AMA museum etc McIntosh Winter should now have copy Silver Ace Catalog Glenn Ledger brought copy instructions Silver Ace Flamingo Ive enclosed letter list Aero Model Prod ucts Co ads American Boy also enclosed first ad ModelAirplane News also shown whether continued Continued page 30 December 1986 29 Mo deI Ajrop1 anes - Supplies 1921 IDEAL AEROPLANE & SUPPLY Co 6567 West Houston St 1 NEW YORK CITY Poles Assbjet chon Wtst Nods I- ARE SHOOTING DOWN HIGH BALSA PRICES WITH SUPER QUALITY Satisfaction Guaranteed Direct Only BALSA SHEETS 36 46 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About 15 years ago found friend work Glenn Ledger interested airplanes made pleasant coffee-break discussions Turned out Glenn especially interested history planes Twenties Thirties side interest models Remembering little variety store NN~ tach wings tho fuselage slipping tho projecting ends wing spars sleeves cowling Turn model upside down attach fourlowershort brace wirestothe holes anchoron fuselage holes wing clips stacks cheap kits Thirties led question manufacturers went Ponds Flying Scale Rubber Model Plans Lists came last list mentioned above Both Glenn subscribed American Boy about same time enjoyed remembering adsfrom Crack etjack fleet Baby ROGs big Ideal models well model articles flying stories full-page Ford Trimotor ads agreed something should done keep being forgotten Glenn obtained micro films American Boy started indexing everything could find aviation 1924 1934 enjoyed rereading num ber old stories Well Jim Noonan indexed AMLA articles also some earlier articles Bill 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plans John Ponds list has best source Occasionally hear people early Scale plans Ponds list Its pleasure share experiences data Now admission As see Im reader model builder Still some time goes building Now usually hardwood reed wire type early models behave could expected reported flight char acteristics early aircraft look align ment surfaces before flight check see propeller shaft bent hope ground loop wont prevent takeoff perhaps break prop hold breath hoping model wont get too high maladjustment little wind may cause aOonraa6c,0 ceacin Slip split-clip lower part rudder through slot back rudder post bend projecting tongues clip back against sides rudder post first side other side just shown illustration No balsa used basswood common has get back down before can stall dive case may model flies perhaps 70 100 ft makes safe landing quite rewarding random Buried boxes Wading River White catalogs dated 1912 glossy paper numerous line halftone repro ductions include vast variety parts supplieschain drives example Obviously still earlier catalogs must exist About six years ago drawing heavily Hertz book biggie phone conversations Charlie Grant did ModelRetailer article called Giants Days much artwork Charlie phoned long dis tance times talked long 2 hours single callabout modeling Twenties companies turned out 300000 ready-to-fly models yearly 1920 1930 beautiful flew amazingly wellI know because flew Formedsheet wings aluminum ribs carved aluminum props paintedI got much 650 ft straight line Charlie now past 90 Inci dentally flew tractor stick over 2000 ft back about 1917 AMA has him tape film get story broader picture what never can know someone should con tinue tape himand must bring least 25 tapes Pioneers warm up after five tapes Hertz book library Modeling today unified thanks great magazines old days left hand did know what right hand doing possible Ideal White Wading River perhaps dozen others sold millions kits basswood bradded nailed together no glue bamboo reedbasically similar 20 years say 1909 1920 Grant using Continued page 141 34Model Aviation save money help AMA NEW PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES CONTRIBUTION OF 15% TO AMA * Order checks through us AMA logo optional * .and 15% purchase price will donated AMA name unique new concept way both yourself AMA result new no-cost partnership have major check printing service members Now can get personalized checks imprinted AMA logo optional prices compara ble lower bank charges will probably save moneyl Best 15% purchase price will come AMA contribution instead bank profit youll receive same high quality processing guarantees youre used Re member asking buy anything already buying just buy through AMA Just thinkl member ordered checks through us uld generate $150000 annually help avoid future dues increases Order now help AMA earn new income keep ad supply checks until re ready re-order customer service call 1-800-328-6795 ext 439 ORDER AMA CHECKS HERE TOI AMA CHECKSI 200 Wallet-Style OX 69 Deposit 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highway en trance field Dick Roe wrote above account present club field accident happened tried summon help means CB Channel 9 .and got absolute ly nothing dont count CB much help Have safe month John Preston c/o AMA 1810 Samuel Morse Dr Reston VA 22090 Plane Talk/Winter Continued page 34 balsa wings200O00 RTFs ready-to-fly year Two different cultures seldom crossing late 20s American Boy tied Aeroplane Model League America AMAs predecessor over 300000 members contests Nationalsand fine flying balsa cement tissue aircraft Lind bergh flew Atlantic result Bernar MacFaddens start-up Model Air plane News fusion point According Rockefeller Foundation 2000000 us Air Youth Thirties What sparked Air Youth masses modelers created across nation Hearst newspapers Junior Birdmen Scripps-Howard papers Junior Aviators followed Lindbergh turned worldmodel full-scale long last things came gether reinforced magazines like Flying Aces Air Trails monster larger audience current magazines combined white-hot progress became commercially case devil take hindmost almost gone now old ones think Ray Arden flying Gas model across Van Courtland Park 1904 Merrill Ham burg made AMLA Jim Walkerthe magician showmanship Joe Ott few us yet Charlie Grant Bert Pond am convinced anyone will salvage history Does anyone care care Bill Winter 4432 Altura Ct Fairfax VA 22030 Editor last Bill Winters Plane Talk columns Bill has already written num ber effect news spreads like wildfire words may sound like something youve heard before Certainly Bill no spring chicken though has cleverly disguised years has reached stage life does enjoy meeting deadlines . keeping files sufficient order able draw column material put nutshell wants rest have wondered out loud Bill will happy doing lifes workwriting and/or editing enjoyment othersand have suggested him possibility continuing column irregular basis said no though responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation remain ready consider alternatives column no seems case suggest readers should mourn its passing Instead think grateful pleasurable reading Bill Winter has provided us years Carl Wheeley Editor Publisher Atrix/Michaelis Continued page 46 tically Shape hatch Groove under side cables can pass over former Add contoured area saddle An optional skid can set slot during construction Goldberg wing skids can go after finish covering Drill shallow holes rudder cable tubes Inset trim flush Attach hold-downs temporarily make template scrap Y16 ply holes spaced match hold-down taps Place position interior bottom mark drilling Make slots about long easily locate taps through fuselage underside Shape fin fine sand fin fuselage hatch using Model Magic filler needed Tex covering excellent both fuse lage fin stretches shrinks wears better unreinforced films Three four thinly-brushed coats clear poly urethane colored stuff makes look like molding Light fiberglass cloth can used too seam bottom extend over hatch saddle areas Heat stretch like crazy nose Attach 1/56 x -in seating tape finished saddle Continued page 144 December 1986 141
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Bill Winter Plane Talk PICTURE WORLD magazines Would hobby exist Youd have say no answer yes would thrive would clubs contests companies tiny its true some would giants out would come magazines spiraling growth has happened before beginning pre-1910 clubs things passing Aero magazines long gone Suppose acquire first model plane 1986 No town has except tiny ad some general magazine catalog order no evidence yours model world will two years before see anyone else model 1986 16 made model two years ago will 59 years before will see photo model built another 38 AMA average age built model 24 years ago 1962 will 37 years before see such photos 60 built model 46 years ago wont see photo same model another 14 years first model Ideal EveryBoys Monoplane Id seen Popular Mechanics 1in ad Ideal sketch Jenny DH 4 great bull-nosed radiator DH-4 Vein Mcintosh Ideal Taube Wright Flier 1984 Flying Aces Club meet Detroit Early Ideal models made extensive use reed curved pieces Its use Wrighttakes libertieswlth scale butdoes yoemans job tyingtogethera convenienttrike gear motor sticks forward biplane canard Motor sticks incline downthrust 5 otherwise wont take off Winter says pine etc props often carved scratch builders An Ideal 6-ft Bleriot also Detroit 1984 just its ready lift off Winter says lip service given flying instructions no mention CG sometimes saying could bend elevators Consequently took Winter year models find out rudi mentary factors No model magazines didnt discover American Boy until 1929 year MAN introduced gas model flown 1904 before born people flew rubber jobs much 2000 ft communications problem Winter says Ideals forte kit designing airplane designing line illustrations scattered throughout instructions condensed originals should give idea well thought out kit Instructions Remove four longest wood pieces also nose plate bulkheads 1 2 3 4 Attach two long wood sticks top bulk heads slipping short side edges bulkheads intothegroovescutinthesticks Lock bending projecting tongues over sticks Add two bottom sticks Smithsonian has full-scale still awes price $750 course wanted father spring 1927 $750 major money graduated grade school gave EveryBoys Mono plane instead cost precious $650 marvelous thinga triumph kit engineering some ways never equalled kit included numerous prefab aluminum parts lovely 10-in Paulownia wood prop good ball-bearing shaft assembly nice rubbertire wheels bamboo paper covering dope believe banana oilthat could buy old-fashioned hardware stores model far overpowered gave rope finest rubber Kits complete days because tarnation could anyone find supplemen tary items today would comprise long list label After supper went off play ball father thing Eighth Wonder World assembled covered ER before got home 10 oclock rigging wires king post turnbuckles take up slack true riggingwhat job warp would never again touch model airplane next day flew tried fly realize now Flying instructions short paragraph No mention CG what S iT.4-l-- CS 4 flCCt flWE s Slip front ends sticks respective grooves nose plate four sticks must correct corners nose plate shown after bend tongues inward lock sticks place 26 Model Aviation adjust machine note could bend down elevators took off rush within 50 feet abruptly nosed up whipstall assume dived Its life must have short tragic though remember dry white cracks rubber overwinding hand must have flown once got off ground such incredible kit etched memories never fade got no kits years driven took two years make model would flyit went 70 ft did know anything about design aerodynamics existed still ignore aerodynamicsI kid Augnst 1961 MANI published article S0S Mar bY Fit rear ends fuselage sticks rudder post two tongues slip grooves sticks Lock sticks place pressing two side pieces Inward until nearlytogether asking thesewere 10 greatest Iknow Zipper Rudder Bug Yates Madman CL Stunter probably Cahills rubber Wake Clodhopper 1912 Cecil Peoli racer twin pusher lasted until 1930s Peoli became show pilot killed Japan 1913 include EveryBoys Monoplane article just came home roost will see Ideal EveryBoys model airplane dream planes Vein McIntosh Por tage MI tells us As now have original EB hand am happily looking forward building flying replica However what Ive heard about flight characteristics isnt good Herb Kelley built EveryBoys 0 4 Place aluminum cowling position making flush nose plate Slip radiator over nose plate over front edge cowling Bend tongue out back lock radiator its place Twenties didnt have good results plane stalled dived finally wrecked Marion McClure owner model Im copying built EB several years ago original kit also trouble stalling diving gave up trials avoid destruction irreplaceable model Cavanaugh writing Aerial Age April 9 1917 apparently referring Scale models says notable exception model seen adjusted fly stably under power dived less steeply ground power ran out article Greatest December1986 27 Mcintosh attaches wing 6-ft Ble riot built Ideal Plan B dated 1917 Tiny vertical tall virtually flat dihedral didnt make things easier Functional sure Yes Bleriot did use landing gear tail skid types shown picture L R An AMLA Baby ROG Vein built September 196740 years after made first Baby ROG 3-ft Ideal Taube built May1975 12-in MegowSPAD middleyears An Ideal Curtiss Military tractor Model exhibit store Ideal kits sold Two aluminum sleeves hold wing spars should slipped place inside cowling projecting tongues ends bent down flush cowling looking sleeves position Vein goes say say EB finished job looked flew fine Id really appreciate anything could tell about model own experience Ideal models ginning about 10 years ago Taube reduced rubber flies well makes decent landing still under power 16 strands Y16 flat called climbs turns lands surprisingly flat attitude Bleriot 1911 very carefully ad justed will make 70- 100-ft flight sag down still partly wound flat landing 2 up elevator zooms stalls Neither weight nose nor downthrust makes less sensitive Anyhow point alter models obtaln flights typical Twenties picture EB Xerox instruction sheet enclosed reminder old times Winter McIntosh material tremendous surprise Like old song re member well some things prove different What involved Ideal thing noble unique effort much thought work must have gone its structural tricks As say too bad did fly well V although known such things probably would have made go must have carried away old MAN copy said flew fine got airborne made terrific impact because never seen anything fly took two summers create something own flew beyond 70 ft think trouble was tremendously overpowered though dont know now might have heavy well time Rubber Scale jobs tended much heavier took power like power bursts thereby magnified adjustment problemsand didnt know first thing about balance Mine took off rush got out about 50 ft stalledrather whiplike indicative some negative pitching moment curve know now could make fly now / WICK CROSS flACK WNOW VSOAMO LaS . -Q S/T Axle installation Slip axle through larger holes landing gear attach brace wire through smaller holes Install wheelsfnuts isnt too heavy dont know what happened mineperhaps broke up What say about other Ideal models interests meespecially Wright Flier dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assure good flight did kit design seemed learn Eaglet circa 1930 Evidently folks got stuff well before did tiny line-sketch ad Popular Mechanics caught first attention Looking photo would say outlines etc viable suspect tailheavy Sure acted way McIntosh Winter description flight characteristics Ideal EveryBoys Aeroplane agrees other two reports plane takes off flies less far stalls As say now could make fly Twenties though remedies have heard adjust elevator little Ideals instructions reduce amount rub ber used inferred Allens book Ideal models also told HL Kelley 28 Model Aviation Ideal Boys Monoplane kitted 1927 authorssfirst airplane roughly 3-ft span Winter says partially prefabbed formed aluminum parts kit fascinated father Pop completed covering four hours Junior played ball carved prop ball bearing shaft aluminum rubber-tired wheels rope fine rubber cost staggering $650 liquids Ideal number truly big firms mass-produced kits mostly Scale roughly 1909 1930s model picture exists belongs builder Marion McClure photo coming Bill Vein Mcintosh other ancients went contests 1920s specializes today building flying otherwise forgotten classics Theres much heady stuff text example Wright Flier proved best flier special breed historic Rubber Scale jobs Fasten two V-shaped sides land ing gear fuselage four clips Pressing tongues clip secures landing gear fuselage Vein built Deperdussin based photo found 1920 Wading River catalog tOfCC *0C* Mount mast overthe hole cowling using special mast Clips bending tongues over done landing gear advice given him during contest Twenties add weight bring balance point forward Ideal never says anything about model should balance EveryBoys added weight would overburden already quite heavy model As changing thrust line Ideal recommends aligning propeller bearing carefully rubber motor goes thought downthrust Wright bi plane flies very stably makes excel lent landings motor sticks aimed quite few degrees above wings angie incidence downthrust pusher angie turns out important wrong 50 less Excuse plans Verrills book very tiny model wouldnt take off until corrected Back EB guess Ill make up plans try have model season still love looks admire way its built Thread propeller shaft through slotted opening nose plate Remove rubber motor box take off rubberbands hold strands together Turn model upside down Let rubber strands slip through openings bulkheads Nos 1 2 3 attaching end hook bulkhead No 4 other prop shaft hook Thanks saying dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assuring good flight did kit design Ive heard said people spend effort doing what know best Ideal could did make wonderful precision drawings well-crafted kits did really know much about flight LE Opdycke kindly printed pictures 6-ft Bleriot Wright ones en closed WWIAero July 1985 put touch two people mentioned letter Am also including photo US Model Deperdussin based photo 1920 catalog Thought building attractive Antoinette might turn out good flier would much guesswork AnD o,ns Slip prop onto shaft name Ideal facing front Install nut washer tighten prongs should fit snugly against side prop hub prevent prop turning shaft involved building catalog picture alone couldnt say would behave like original Ideal plans arent hard find early US Model plans seem have lost Winter McIntosh got magnificent pictures Just wonderful what oppor tunity show present-day modelers roots .. know anything about Silver Ace As kid stumbled across parts things like props time time think Fokker Tri-M too will ask AMA Museum curator get touch because doubt have anything much about Ideal Wading River etc McIntosh Winter AMA Museum curator Mr Hurst Bowers has already sent letter hope answer soon kindly offered provide home early Scale model replicas am honored offer retired will gladly offer Turn model upside down slip main wing brace wire anchor place over thetwo lowerfuselagestickssowhenfinally position itwillfltsnuglyagainstthe inside rear supports landing gear museum gifts Lets hope though column will bring responses people originals also plans catalogs etc Hopefully will something US Model Phipps less well-known companies early 1 900s thought about Ideal EveryBoys maybe some justification building look-alike very minor changes wing attack angie thrust line etc modern materials less weight better CG lo cation replicas might fly builders 1920s dreamed would remember Silver Ace ads very well friend Glenn Ledger has cat Slip Inner ribs over straight ends two 1/s x 1/4-in sticks convex edge rib grooves sticks face upward illustration Press ribs grooves spars lock place pushing small tongues upward edge penknife alogsperhaps 1928that has instructions flying models stretch-winding etc shows least picture Silver Ace flight wing has twice dihedral shown other picturesprobably due mounting pins thin music wire As recall basic high-wing monoplane add-ons make biplane trimotor floatplane seaplane wish Im sure can have Xerox copy Glenn might willing loan Winter McIntosh looks like De cember column will include pitch about museum suggestion others good material should help out least well invite Thecoverof 1921 Ideal ModelAeroplane catalog Ideal made kits over 40 years column appears would good time suggest modernized EveryBoys magazines coulduse column show what looked like what said about Glenn would risk showing catalog Id have office Xerox entire thing Other wise Id glad get whatever Xerox copies Place wire rim over wing frame shown Slip short bent end depression inner rib place wire notches other three ribs notches end sticks Pinch tips ribs togetherto hold place info can supply . may able run reasonable copies print some stuff Silver Ace Catalog have some knowledge old firms seems imperative before vanish some us should try least list known companies names addresses dates general remarks about what did already lost information never known anyone alive unless something Ive seen reference US Models mention first have seen Phipps see 74-year-old man doesnt know can move some distance Ill what can arrange historical article exhibit via editors still know AMA museum etc McIntosh Winter should now have copy Silver Ace Catalog Glenn Ledger brought copy instructions Silver Ace Flamingo Ive enclosed letter list Aero Model Prod ucts Co ads American Boy also enclosed first ad ModelAirplane News also shown whether continued Continued page 30 December 1986 29 Mo deI Ajrop1 anes - Supplies 1921 IDEAL AEROPLANE & SUPPLY Co 6567 West Houston St 1 NEW YORK CITY Poles Assbjet chon Wtst Nods I- ARE SHOOTING DOWN HIGH BALSA PRICES WITH SUPER QUALITY Satisfaction Guaranteed Direct Only BALSA SHEETS 36 46 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About 15 years ago found friend work Glenn Ledger interested airplanes made pleasant coffee-break discussions Turned out Glenn especially interested history planes Twenties Thirties side interest models Remembering little variety store NN~ tach wings tho fuselage slipping tho projecting ends wing spars sleeves cowling Turn model upside down attach fourlowershort brace wirestothe holes anchoron fuselage holes wing clips stacks cheap kits Thirties led question manufacturers went Ponds Flying Scale Rubber Model Plans Lists came last list mentioned above Both Glenn subscribed American Boy about same time enjoyed remembering adsfrom Crack etjack fleet Baby ROGs big Ideal models well model articles flying stories full-page Ford Trimotor ads agreed something should done keep being forgotten Glenn obtained micro films American Boy started indexing everything could find aviation 1924 1934 enjoyed rereading num ber old stories Well Jim Noonan indexed AMLA articles also some earlier articles Bill 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plans John Ponds list has best source Occasionally hear people early Scale plans Ponds list Its pleasure share experiences data Now admission As see Im reader model builder Still some time goes building Now usually hardwood reed wire type early models behave could expected reported flight char acteristics early aircraft look align ment surfaces before flight check see propeller shaft bent hope ground loop wont prevent takeoff perhaps break prop hold breath hoping model wont get too high maladjustment little wind may cause aOonraa6c,0 ceacin Slip split-clip lower part rudder through slot back rudder post bend projecting tongues clip back against sides rudder post first side other side just shown illustration No balsa used basswood common has get back down before can stall dive case may model flies perhaps 70 100 ft makes safe landing quite rewarding random Buried boxes Wading River White catalogs dated 1912 glossy paper numerous line halftone repro ductions include vast variety parts supplieschain drives example Obviously still earlier catalogs must exist About six years ago drawing heavily Hertz book biggie phone conversations Charlie Grant did ModelRetailer article called Giants Days much artwork Charlie phoned long dis tance times talked long 2 hours single callabout modeling Twenties companies turned out 300000 ready-to-fly models yearly 1920 1930 beautiful flew amazingly wellI know because flew Formedsheet wings aluminum ribs carved aluminum props paintedI got much 650 ft straight line Charlie now past 90 Inci dentally flew tractor stick over 2000 ft back about 1917 AMA has him tape film get story broader picture what never can know someone should con tinue tape himand must bring least 25 tapes Pioneers warm up after five tapes Hertz book library Modeling today unified thanks great magazines old days left hand did know what right hand doing possible Ideal White Wading River perhaps dozen others sold millions kits basswood bradded nailed together no glue bamboo reedbasically similar 20 years say 1909 1920 Grant using Continued page 141 34Model Aviation save money help AMA NEW PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES CONTRIBUTION OF 15% TO AMA * Order checks through us AMA logo optional * .and 15% purchase price will donated AMA name unique new concept way both yourself AMA result new no-cost partnership have major check printing service members Now can get personalized checks imprinted AMA logo optional prices compara ble lower bank charges will probably save moneyl Best 15% purchase price will come AMA contribution instead bank profit youll receive same high quality processing guarantees youre used Re member asking buy anything already buying just buy through AMA Just thinkl member ordered checks through us uld generate $150000 annually help avoid future dues increases Order now help AMA earn new income keep ad supply checks until re ready re-order customer service call 1-800-328-6795 ext 439 ORDER AMA CHECKS HERE TOI AMA CHECKSI 200 Wallet-Style OX 69 Deposit 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highway en trance field Dick Roe wrote above account present club field accident happened tried summon help means CB Channel 9 .and got absolute ly nothing dont count CB much help Have safe month John Preston c/o AMA 1810 Samuel Morse Dr Reston VA 22090 Plane Talk/Winter Continued page 34 balsa wings200O00 RTFs ready-to-fly year Two different cultures seldom crossing late 20s American Boy tied Aeroplane Model League America AMAs predecessor over 300000 members contests Nationalsand fine flying balsa cement tissue aircraft Lind bergh flew Atlantic result Bernar MacFaddens start-up Model Air plane News fusion point According Rockefeller Foundation 2000000 us Air Youth Thirties What sparked Air Youth masses modelers created across nation Hearst newspapers Junior Birdmen Scripps-Howard papers Junior Aviators followed Lindbergh turned worldmodel full-scale long last things came gether reinforced magazines like Flying Aces Air Trails monster larger audience current magazines combined white-hot progress became commercially case devil take hindmost almost gone now old ones think Ray Arden flying Gas model across Van Courtland Park 1904 Merrill Ham burg made AMLA Jim Walkerthe magician showmanship Joe Ott few us yet Charlie Grant Bert Pond am convinced anyone will salvage history Does anyone care care Bill Winter 4432 Altura Ct Fairfax VA 22030 Editor last Bill Winters Plane Talk columns Bill has already written num ber effect news spreads like wildfire words may sound like something youve heard before Certainly Bill no spring chicken though has cleverly disguised years has reached stage life does enjoy meeting deadlines . keeping files sufficient order able draw column material put nutshell wants rest have wondered out loud Bill will happy doing lifes workwriting and/or editing enjoyment othersand have suggested him possibility continuing column irregular basis said no though responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation remain ready consider alternatives column no seems case suggest readers should mourn its passing Instead think grateful pleasurable reading Bill Winter has provided us years Carl Wheeley Editor Publisher Atrix/Michaelis Continued page 46 tically Shape hatch Groove under side cables can pass over former Add contoured area saddle An optional skid can set slot during construction Goldberg wing skids can go after finish covering Drill shallow holes rudder cable tubes Inset trim flush Attach hold-downs temporarily make template scrap Y16 ply holes spaced match hold-down taps Place position interior bottom mark drilling Make slots about long easily locate taps through fuselage underside Shape fin fine sand fin fuselage hatch using Model Magic filler needed Tex covering excellent both fuse lage fin stretches shrinks wears better unreinforced films Three four thinly-brushed coats clear poly urethane colored stuff makes look like molding Light fiberglass cloth can used too seam bottom extend over hatch saddle areas Heat stretch like crazy nose Attach 1/56 x -in seating tape finished saddle Continued page 144 December 1986 141
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Bill Winter Plane Talk PICTURE WORLD magazines Would hobby exist Youd have say no answer yes would thrive would clubs contests companies tiny its true some would giants out would come magazines spiraling growth has happened before beginning pre-1910 clubs things passing Aero magazines long gone Suppose acquire first model plane 1986 No town has except tiny ad some general magazine catalog order no evidence yours model world will two years before see anyone else model 1986 16 made model two years ago will 59 years before will see photo model built another 38 AMA average age built model 24 years ago 1962 will 37 years before see such photos 60 built model 46 years ago wont see photo same model another 14 years first model Ideal EveryBoys Monoplane Id seen Popular Mechanics 1in ad Ideal sketch Jenny DH 4 great bull-nosed radiator DH-4 Vein Mcintosh Ideal Taube Wright Flier 1984 Flying Aces Club meet Detroit Early Ideal models made extensive use reed curved pieces Its use Wrighttakes libertieswlth scale butdoes yoemans job tyingtogethera convenienttrike gear motor sticks forward biplane canard Motor sticks incline downthrust 5 otherwise wont take off Winter says pine etc props often carved scratch builders An Ideal 6-ft Bleriot also Detroit 1984 just its ready lift off Winter says lip service given flying instructions no mention CG sometimes saying could bend elevators Consequently took Winter year models find out rudi mentary factors No model magazines didnt discover American Boy until 1929 year MAN introduced gas model flown 1904 before born people flew rubber jobs much 2000 ft communications problem Winter says Ideals forte kit designing airplane designing line illustrations scattered throughout instructions condensed originals should give idea well thought out kit Instructions Remove four longest wood pieces also nose plate bulkheads 1 2 3 4 Attach two long wood sticks top bulk heads slipping short side edges bulkheads intothegroovescutinthesticks Lock bending projecting tongues over sticks Add two bottom sticks Smithsonian has full-scale still awes price $750 course wanted father spring 1927 $750 major money graduated grade school gave EveryBoys Mono plane instead cost precious $650 marvelous thinga triumph kit engineering some ways never equalled kit included numerous prefab aluminum parts lovely 10-in Paulownia wood prop good ball-bearing shaft assembly nice rubbertire wheels bamboo paper covering dope believe banana oilthat could buy old-fashioned hardware stores model far overpowered gave rope finest rubber Kits complete days because tarnation could anyone find supplemen tary items today would comprise long list label After supper went off play ball father thing Eighth Wonder World assembled covered ER before got home 10 oclock rigging wires king post turnbuckles take up slack true riggingwhat job warp would never again touch model airplane next day flew tried fly realize now Flying instructions short paragraph No mention CG what S iT.4-l-- CS 4 flCCt flWE s Slip front ends sticks respective grooves nose plate four sticks must correct corners nose plate shown after bend tongues inward lock sticks place 26 Model Aviation adjust machine note could bend down elevators took off rush within 50 feet abruptly nosed up whipstall assume dived Its life must have short tragic though remember dry white cracks rubber overwinding hand must have flown once got off ground such incredible kit etched memories never fade got no kits years driven took two years make model would flyit went 70 ft did know anything about design aerodynamics existed still ignore aerodynamicsI kid Augnst 1961 MANI published article S0S Mar bY Fit rear ends fuselage sticks rudder post two tongues slip grooves sticks Lock sticks place pressing two side pieces Inward until nearlytogether asking thesewere 10 greatest Iknow Zipper Rudder Bug Yates Madman CL Stunter probably Cahills rubber Wake Clodhopper 1912 Cecil Peoli racer twin pusher lasted until 1930s Peoli became show pilot killed Japan 1913 include EveryBoys Monoplane article just came home roost will see Ideal EveryBoys model airplane dream planes Vein McIntosh Por tage MI tells us As now have original EB hand am happily looking forward building flying replica However what Ive heard about flight characteristics isnt good Herb Kelley built EveryBoys 0 4 Place aluminum cowling position making flush nose plate Slip radiator over nose plate over front edge cowling Bend tongue out back lock radiator its place Twenties didnt have good results plane stalled dived finally wrecked Marion McClure owner model Im copying built EB several years ago original kit also trouble stalling diving gave up trials avoid destruction irreplaceable model Cavanaugh writing Aerial Age April 9 1917 apparently referring Scale models says notable exception model seen adjusted fly stably under power dived less steeply ground power ran out article Greatest December1986 27 Mcintosh attaches wing 6-ft Ble riot built Ideal Plan B dated 1917 Tiny vertical tall virtually flat dihedral didnt make things easier Functional sure Yes Bleriot did use landing gear tail skid types shown picture L R An AMLA Baby ROG Vein built September 196740 years after made first Baby ROG 3-ft Ideal Taube built May1975 12-in MegowSPAD middleyears An Ideal Curtiss Military tractor Model exhibit store Ideal kits sold Two aluminum sleeves hold wing spars should slipped place inside cowling projecting tongues ends bent down flush cowling looking sleeves position Vein goes say say EB finished job looked flew fine Id really appreciate anything could tell about model own experience Ideal models ginning about 10 years ago Taube reduced rubber flies well makes decent landing still under power 16 strands Y16 flat called climbs turns lands surprisingly flat attitude Bleriot 1911 very carefully ad justed will make 70- 100-ft flight sag down still partly wound flat landing 2 up elevator zooms stalls Neither weight nose nor downthrust makes less sensitive Anyhow point alter models obtaln flights typical Twenties picture EB Xerox instruction sheet enclosed reminder old times Winter McIntosh material tremendous surprise Like old song re member well some things prove different What involved Ideal thing noble unique effort much thought work must have gone its structural tricks As say too bad did fly well V although known such things probably would have made go must have carried away old MAN copy said flew fine got airborne made terrific impact because never seen anything fly took two summers create something own flew beyond 70 ft think trouble was tremendously overpowered though dont know now might have heavy well time Rubber Scale jobs tended much heavier took power like power bursts thereby magnified adjustment problemsand didnt know first thing about balance Mine took off rush got out about 50 ft stalledrather whiplike indicative some negative pitching moment curve know now could make fly now / WICK CROSS flACK WNOW VSOAMO LaS . -Q S/T Axle installation Slip axle through larger holes landing gear attach brace wire through smaller holes Install wheelsfnuts isnt too heavy dont know what happened mineperhaps broke up What say about other Ideal models interests meespecially Wright Flier dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assure good flight did kit design seemed learn Eaglet circa 1930 Evidently folks got stuff well before did tiny line-sketch ad Popular Mechanics caught first attention Looking photo would say outlines etc viable suspect tailheavy Sure acted way McIntosh Winter description flight characteristics Ideal EveryBoys Aeroplane agrees other two reports plane takes off flies less far stalls As say now could make fly Twenties though remedies have heard adjust elevator little Ideals instructions reduce amount rub ber used inferred Allens book Ideal models also told HL Kelley 28 Model Aviation Ideal Boys Monoplane kitted 1927 authorssfirst airplane roughly 3-ft span Winter says partially prefabbed formed aluminum parts kit fascinated father Pop completed covering four hours Junior played ball carved prop ball bearing shaft aluminum rubber-tired wheels rope fine rubber cost staggering $650 liquids Ideal number truly big firms mass-produced kits mostly Scale roughly 1909 1930s model picture exists belongs builder Marion McClure photo coming Bill Vein Mcintosh other ancients went contests 1920s specializes today building flying otherwise forgotten classics Theres much heady stuff text example Wright Flier proved best flier special breed historic Rubber Scale jobs Fasten two V-shaped sides land ing gear fuselage four clips Pressing tongues clip secures landing gear fuselage Vein built Deperdussin based photo found 1920 Wading River catalog tOfCC *0C* Mount mast overthe hole cowling using special mast Clips bending tongues over done landing gear advice given him during contest Twenties add weight bring balance point forward Ideal never says anything about model should balance EveryBoys added weight would overburden already quite heavy model As changing thrust line Ideal recommends aligning propeller bearing carefully rubber motor goes thought downthrust Wright bi plane flies very stably makes excel lent landings motor sticks aimed quite few degrees above wings angie incidence downthrust pusher angie turns out important wrong 50 less Excuse plans Verrills book very tiny model wouldnt take off until corrected Back EB guess Ill make up plans try have model season still love looks admire way its built Thread propeller shaft through slotted opening nose plate Remove rubber motor box take off rubberbands hold strands together Turn model upside down Let rubber strands slip through openings bulkheads Nos 1 2 3 attaching end hook bulkhead No 4 other prop shaft hook Thanks saying dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assuring good flight did kit design Ive heard said people spend effort doing what know best Ideal could did make wonderful precision drawings well-crafted kits did really know much about flight LE Opdycke kindly printed pictures 6-ft Bleriot Wright ones en closed WWIAero July 1985 put touch two people mentioned letter Am also including photo US Model Deperdussin based photo 1920 catalog Thought building attractive Antoinette might turn out good flier would much guesswork AnD o,ns Slip prop onto shaft name Ideal facing front Install nut washer tighten prongs should fit snugly against side prop hub prevent prop turning shaft involved building catalog picture alone couldnt say would behave like original Ideal plans arent hard find early US Model plans seem have lost Winter McIntosh got magnificent pictures Just wonderful what oppor tunity show present-day modelers roots .. know anything about Silver Ace As kid stumbled across parts things like props time time think Fokker Tri-M too will ask AMA Museum curator get touch because doubt have anything much about Ideal Wading River etc McIntosh Winter AMA Museum curator Mr Hurst Bowers has already sent letter hope answer soon kindly offered provide home early Scale model replicas am honored offer retired will gladly offer Turn model upside down slip main wing brace wire anchor place over thetwo lowerfuselagestickssowhenfinally position itwillfltsnuglyagainstthe inside rear supports landing gear museum gifts Lets hope though column will bring responses people originals also plans catalogs etc Hopefully will something US Model Phipps less well-known companies early 1 900s thought about Ideal EveryBoys maybe some justification building look-alike very minor changes wing attack angie thrust line etc modern materials less weight better CG lo cation replicas might fly builders 1920s dreamed would remember Silver Ace ads very well friend Glenn Ledger has cat Slip Inner ribs over straight ends two 1/s x 1/4-in sticks convex edge rib grooves sticks face upward illustration Press ribs grooves spars lock place pushing small tongues upward edge penknife alogsperhaps 1928that has instructions flying models stretch-winding etc shows least picture Silver Ace flight wing has twice dihedral shown other picturesprobably due mounting pins thin music wire As recall basic high-wing monoplane add-ons make biplane trimotor floatplane seaplane wish Im sure can have Xerox copy Glenn might willing loan Winter McIntosh looks like De cember column will include pitch about museum suggestion others good material should help out least well invite Thecoverof 1921 Ideal ModelAeroplane catalog Ideal made kits over 40 years column appears would good time suggest modernized EveryBoys magazines coulduse column show what looked like what said about Glenn would risk showing catalog Id have office Xerox entire thing Other wise Id glad get whatever Xerox copies Place wire rim over wing frame shown Slip short bent end depression inner rib place wire notches other three ribs notches end sticks Pinch tips ribs togetherto hold place info can supply . may able run reasonable copies print some stuff Silver Ace Catalog have some knowledge old firms seems imperative before vanish some us should try least list known companies names addresses dates general remarks about what did already lost information never known anyone alive unless something Ive seen reference US Models mention first have seen Phipps see 74-year-old man doesnt know can move some distance Ill what can arrange historical article exhibit via editors still know AMA museum etc McIntosh Winter should now have copy Silver Ace Catalog Glenn Ledger brought copy instructions Silver Ace Flamingo Ive enclosed letter list Aero Model Prod ucts Co ads American Boy also enclosed first ad ModelAirplane News also shown whether continued Continued page 30 December 1986 29 Mo deI Ajrop1 anes - Supplies 1921 IDEAL AEROPLANE & SUPPLY Co 6567 West Houston St 1 NEW YORK CITY Poles Assbjet chon Wtst Nods I- ARE SHOOTING DOWN HIGH BALSA PRICES WITH SUPER QUALITY Satisfaction Guaranteed Direct Only BALSA SHEETS 36 46 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About 15 years ago found friend work Glenn Ledger interested airplanes made pleasant coffee-break discussions Turned out Glenn especially interested history planes Twenties Thirties side interest models Remembering little variety store NN~ tach wings tho fuselage slipping tho projecting ends wing spars sleeves cowling Turn model upside down attach fourlowershort brace wirestothe holes anchoron fuselage holes wing clips stacks cheap kits Thirties led question manufacturers went Ponds Flying Scale Rubber Model Plans Lists came last list mentioned above Both Glenn subscribed American Boy about same time enjoyed remembering adsfrom Crack etjack fleet Baby ROGs big Ideal models well model articles flying stories full-page Ford Trimotor ads agreed something should done keep being forgotten Glenn obtained micro films American Boy started indexing everything could find aviation 1924 1934 enjoyed rereading num ber old stories Well Jim Noonan indexed AMLA articles also some earlier articles Bill 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plans John Ponds list has best source Occasionally hear people early Scale plans Ponds list Its pleasure share experiences data Now admission As see Im reader model builder Still some time goes building Now usually hardwood reed wire type early models behave could expected reported flight char acteristics early aircraft look align ment surfaces before flight check see propeller shaft bent hope ground loop wont prevent takeoff perhaps break prop hold breath hoping model wont get too high maladjustment little wind may cause aOonraa6c,0 ceacin Slip split-clip lower part rudder through slot back rudder post bend projecting tongues clip back against sides rudder post first side other side just shown illustration No balsa used basswood common has get back down before can stall dive case may model flies perhaps 70 100 ft makes safe landing quite rewarding random Buried boxes Wading River White catalogs dated 1912 glossy paper numerous line halftone repro ductions include vast variety parts supplieschain drives example Obviously still earlier catalogs must exist About six years ago drawing heavily Hertz book biggie phone conversations Charlie Grant did ModelRetailer article called Giants Days much artwork Charlie phoned long dis tance times talked long 2 hours single callabout modeling Twenties companies turned out 300000 ready-to-fly models yearly 1920 1930 beautiful flew amazingly wellI know because flew Formedsheet wings aluminum ribs carved aluminum props paintedI got much 650 ft straight line Charlie now past 90 Inci dentally flew tractor stick over 2000 ft back about 1917 AMA has him tape film get story broader picture what never can know someone should con tinue tape himand must bring least 25 tapes Pioneers warm up after five tapes Hertz book library Modeling today unified thanks great magazines old days left hand did know what right hand doing possible Ideal White Wading River perhaps dozen others sold millions kits basswood bradded nailed together no glue bamboo reedbasically similar 20 years say 1909 1920 Grant using Continued page 141 34Model Aviation save money help AMA NEW PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES CONTRIBUTION OF 15% TO AMA * Order checks through us AMA logo optional * .and 15% purchase price will donated AMA name unique new concept way both yourself AMA result new no-cost partnership have major check printing service members Now can get personalized checks imprinted AMA logo optional prices compara ble lower bank charges will probably save moneyl Best 15% purchase price will come AMA contribution instead bank profit youll receive same high quality processing guarantees youre used Re member asking buy anything already buying just buy through AMA Just thinkl member ordered checks through us uld generate $150000 annually help avoid future dues increases Order now help AMA earn new income keep ad supply checks until re ready re-order customer service call 1-800-328-6795 ext 439 ORDER AMA CHECKS HERE TOI AMA CHECKSI 200 Wallet-Style OX 69 Deposit 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highway en trance field Dick Roe wrote above account present club field accident happened tried summon help means CB Channel 9 .and got absolute ly nothing dont count CB much help Have safe month John Preston c/o AMA 1810 Samuel Morse Dr Reston VA 22090 Plane Talk/Winter Continued page 34 balsa wings200O00 RTFs ready-to-fly year Two different cultures seldom crossing late 20s American Boy tied Aeroplane Model League America AMAs predecessor over 300000 members contests Nationalsand fine flying balsa cement tissue aircraft Lind bergh flew Atlantic result Bernar MacFaddens start-up Model Air plane News fusion point According Rockefeller Foundation 2000000 us Air Youth Thirties What sparked Air Youth masses modelers created across nation Hearst newspapers Junior Birdmen Scripps-Howard papers Junior Aviators followed Lindbergh turned worldmodel full-scale long last things came gether reinforced magazines like Flying Aces Air Trails monster larger audience current magazines combined white-hot progress became commercially case devil take hindmost almost gone now old ones think Ray Arden flying Gas model across Van Courtland Park 1904 Merrill Ham burg made AMLA Jim Walkerthe magician showmanship Joe Ott few us yet Charlie Grant Bert Pond am convinced anyone will salvage history Does anyone care care Bill Winter 4432 Altura Ct Fairfax VA 22030 Editor last Bill Winters Plane Talk columns Bill has already written num ber effect news spreads like wildfire words may sound like something youve heard before Certainly Bill no spring chicken though has cleverly disguised years has reached stage life does enjoy meeting deadlines . keeping files sufficient order able draw column material put nutshell wants rest have wondered out loud Bill will happy doing lifes workwriting and/or editing enjoyment othersand have suggested him possibility continuing column irregular basis said no though responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation remain ready consider alternatives column no seems case suggest readers should mourn its passing Instead think grateful pleasurable reading Bill Winter has provided us years Carl Wheeley Editor Publisher Atrix/Michaelis Continued page 46 tically Shape hatch Groove under side cables can pass over former Add contoured area saddle An optional skid can set slot during construction Goldberg wing skids can go after finish covering Drill shallow holes rudder cable tubes Inset trim flush Attach hold-downs temporarily make template scrap Y16 ply holes spaced match hold-down taps Place position interior bottom mark drilling Make slots about long easily locate taps through fuselage underside Shape fin fine sand fin fuselage hatch using Model Magic filler needed Tex covering excellent both fuse lage fin stretches shrinks wears better unreinforced films Three four thinly-brushed coats clear poly urethane colored stuff makes look like molding Light fiberglass cloth can used too seam bottom extend over hatch saddle areas Heat stretch like crazy nose Attach 1/56 x -in seating tape finished saddle Continued page 144 December 1986 141
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Bill Winter Plane Talk PICTURE WORLD magazines Would hobby exist Youd have say no answer yes would thrive would clubs contests companies tiny its true some would giants out would come magazines spiraling growth has happened before beginning pre-1910 clubs things passing Aero magazines long gone Suppose acquire first model plane 1986 No town has except tiny ad some general magazine catalog order no evidence yours model world will two years before see anyone else model 1986 16 made model two years ago will 59 years before will see photo model built another 38 AMA average age built model 24 years ago 1962 will 37 years before see such photos 60 built model 46 years ago wont see photo same model another 14 years first model Ideal EveryBoys Monoplane Id seen Popular Mechanics 1in ad Ideal sketch Jenny DH 4 great bull-nosed radiator DH-4 Vein Mcintosh Ideal Taube Wright Flier 1984 Flying Aces Club meet Detroit Early Ideal models made extensive use reed curved pieces Its use Wrighttakes libertieswlth scale butdoes yoemans job tyingtogethera convenienttrike gear motor sticks forward biplane canard Motor sticks incline downthrust 5 otherwise wont take off Winter says pine etc props often carved scratch builders An Ideal 6-ft Bleriot also Detroit 1984 just its ready lift off Winter says lip service given flying instructions no mention CG sometimes saying could bend elevators Consequently took Winter year models find out rudi mentary factors No model magazines didnt discover American Boy until 1929 year MAN introduced gas model flown 1904 before born people flew rubber jobs much 2000 ft communications problem Winter says Ideals forte kit designing airplane designing line illustrations scattered throughout instructions condensed originals should give idea well thought out kit Instructions Remove four longest wood pieces also nose plate bulkheads 1 2 3 4 Attach two long wood sticks top bulk heads slipping short side edges bulkheads intothegroovescutinthesticks Lock bending projecting tongues over sticks Add two bottom sticks Smithsonian has full-scale still awes price $750 course wanted father spring 1927 $750 major money graduated grade school gave EveryBoys Mono plane instead cost precious $650 marvelous thinga triumph kit engineering some ways never equalled kit included numerous prefab aluminum parts lovely 10-in Paulownia wood prop good ball-bearing shaft assembly nice rubbertire wheels bamboo paper covering dope believe banana oilthat could buy old-fashioned hardware stores model far overpowered gave rope finest rubber Kits complete days because tarnation could anyone find supplemen tary items today would comprise long list label After supper went off play ball father thing Eighth Wonder World assembled covered ER before got home 10 oclock rigging wires king post turnbuckles take up slack true riggingwhat job warp would never again touch model airplane next day flew tried fly realize now Flying instructions short paragraph No mention CG what S iT.4-l-- CS 4 flCCt flWE s Slip front ends sticks respective grooves nose plate four sticks must correct corners nose plate shown after bend tongues inward lock sticks place 26 Model Aviation adjust machine note could bend down elevators took off rush within 50 feet abruptly nosed up whipstall assume dived Its life must have short tragic though remember dry white cracks rubber overwinding hand must have flown once got off ground such incredible kit etched memories never fade got no kits years driven took two years make model would flyit went 70 ft did know anything about design aerodynamics existed still ignore aerodynamicsI kid Augnst 1961 MANI published article S0S Mar bY Fit rear ends fuselage sticks rudder post two tongues slip grooves sticks Lock sticks place pressing two side pieces Inward until nearlytogether asking thesewere 10 greatest Iknow Zipper Rudder Bug Yates Madman CL Stunter probably Cahills rubber Wake Clodhopper 1912 Cecil Peoli racer twin pusher lasted until 1930s Peoli became show pilot killed Japan 1913 include EveryBoys Monoplane article just came home roost will see Ideal EveryBoys model airplane dream planes Vein McIntosh Por tage MI tells us As now have original EB hand am happily looking forward building flying replica However what Ive heard about flight characteristics isnt good Herb Kelley built EveryBoys 0 4 Place aluminum cowling position making flush nose plate Slip radiator over nose plate over front edge cowling Bend tongue out back lock radiator its place Twenties didnt have good results plane stalled dived finally wrecked Marion McClure owner model Im copying built EB several years ago original kit also trouble stalling diving gave up trials avoid destruction irreplaceable model Cavanaugh writing Aerial Age April 9 1917 apparently referring Scale models says notable exception model seen adjusted fly stably under power dived less steeply ground power ran out article Greatest December1986 27 Mcintosh attaches wing 6-ft Ble riot built Ideal Plan B dated 1917 Tiny vertical tall virtually flat dihedral didnt make things easier Functional sure Yes Bleriot did use landing gear tail skid types shown picture L R An AMLA Baby ROG Vein built September 196740 years after made first Baby ROG 3-ft Ideal Taube built May1975 12-in MegowSPAD middleyears An Ideal Curtiss Military tractor Model exhibit store Ideal kits sold Two aluminum sleeves hold wing spars should slipped place inside cowling projecting tongues ends bent down flush cowling looking sleeves position Vein goes say say EB finished job looked flew fine Id really appreciate anything could tell about model own experience Ideal models ginning about 10 years ago Taube reduced rubber flies well makes decent landing still under power 16 strands Y16 flat called climbs turns lands surprisingly flat attitude Bleriot 1911 very carefully ad justed will make 70- 100-ft flight sag down still partly wound flat landing 2 up elevator zooms stalls Neither weight nose nor downthrust makes less sensitive Anyhow point alter models obtaln flights typical Twenties picture EB Xerox instruction sheet enclosed reminder old times Winter McIntosh material tremendous surprise Like old song re member well some things prove different What involved Ideal thing noble unique effort much thought work must have gone its structural tricks As say too bad did fly well V although known such things probably would have made go must have carried away old MAN copy said flew fine got airborne made terrific impact because never seen anything fly took two summers create something own flew beyond 70 ft think trouble was tremendously overpowered though dont know now might have heavy well time Rubber Scale jobs tended much heavier took power like power bursts thereby magnified adjustment problemsand didnt know first thing about balance Mine took off rush got out about 50 ft stalledrather whiplike indicative some negative pitching moment curve know now could make fly now / WICK CROSS flACK WNOW VSOAMO LaS . -Q S/T Axle installation Slip axle through larger holes landing gear attach brace wire through smaller holes Install wheelsfnuts isnt too heavy dont know what happened mineperhaps broke up What say about other Ideal models interests meespecially Wright Flier dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assure good flight did kit design seemed learn Eaglet circa 1930 Evidently folks got stuff well before did tiny line-sketch ad Popular Mechanics caught first attention Looking photo would say outlines etc viable suspect tailheavy Sure acted way McIntosh Winter description flight characteristics Ideal EveryBoys Aeroplane agrees other two reports plane takes off flies less far stalls As say now could make fly Twenties though remedies have heard adjust elevator little Ideals instructions reduce amount rub ber used inferred Allens book Ideal models also told HL Kelley 28 Model Aviation Ideal Boys Monoplane kitted 1927 authorssfirst airplane roughly 3-ft span Winter says partially prefabbed formed aluminum parts kit fascinated father Pop completed covering four hours Junior played ball carved prop ball bearing shaft aluminum rubber-tired wheels rope fine rubber cost staggering $650 liquids Ideal number truly big firms mass-produced kits mostly Scale roughly 1909 1930s model picture exists belongs builder Marion McClure photo coming Bill Vein Mcintosh other ancients went contests 1920s specializes today building flying otherwise forgotten classics Theres much heady stuff text example Wright Flier proved best flier special breed historic Rubber Scale jobs Fasten two V-shaped sides land ing gear fuselage four clips Pressing tongues clip secures landing gear fuselage Vein built Deperdussin based photo found 1920 Wading River catalog tOfCC *0C* Mount mast overthe hole cowling using special mast Clips bending tongues over done landing gear advice given him during contest Twenties add weight bring balance point forward Ideal never says anything about model should balance EveryBoys added weight would overburden already quite heavy model As changing thrust line Ideal recommends aligning propeller bearing carefully rubber motor goes thought downthrust Wright bi plane flies very stably makes excel lent landings motor sticks aimed quite few degrees above wings angie incidence downthrust pusher angie turns out important wrong 50 less Excuse plans Verrills book very tiny model wouldnt take off until corrected Back EB guess Ill make up plans try have model season still love looks admire way its built Thread propeller shaft through slotted opening nose plate Remove rubber motor box take off rubberbands hold strands together Turn model upside down Let rubber strands slip through openings bulkheads Nos 1 2 3 attaching end hook bulkhead No 4 other prop shaft hook Thanks saying dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assuring good flight did kit design Ive heard said people spend effort doing what know best Ideal could did make wonderful precision drawings well-crafted kits did really know much about flight LE Opdycke kindly printed pictures 6-ft Bleriot Wright ones en closed WWIAero July 1985 put touch two people mentioned letter Am also including photo US Model Deperdussin based photo 1920 catalog Thought building attractive Antoinette might turn out good flier would much guesswork AnD o,ns Slip prop onto shaft name Ideal facing front Install nut washer tighten prongs should fit snugly against side prop hub prevent prop turning shaft involved building catalog picture alone couldnt say would behave like original Ideal plans arent hard find early US Model plans seem have lost Winter McIntosh got magnificent pictures Just wonderful what oppor tunity show present-day modelers roots .. know anything about Silver Ace As kid stumbled across parts things like props time time think Fokker Tri-M too will ask AMA Museum curator get touch because doubt have anything much about Ideal Wading River etc McIntosh Winter AMA Museum curator Mr Hurst Bowers has already sent letter hope answer soon kindly offered provide home early Scale model replicas am honored offer retired will gladly offer Turn model upside down slip main wing brace wire anchor place over thetwo lowerfuselagestickssowhenfinally position itwillfltsnuglyagainstthe inside rear supports landing gear museum gifts Lets hope though column will bring responses people originals also plans catalogs etc Hopefully will something US Model Phipps less well-known companies early 1 900s thought about Ideal EveryBoys maybe some justification building look-alike very minor changes wing attack angie thrust line etc modern materials less weight better CG lo cation replicas might fly builders 1920s dreamed would remember Silver Ace ads very well friend Glenn Ledger has cat Slip Inner ribs over straight ends two 1/s x 1/4-in sticks convex edge rib grooves sticks face upward illustration Press ribs grooves spars lock place pushing small tongues upward edge penknife alogsperhaps 1928that has instructions flying models stretch-winding etc shows least picture Silver Ace flight wing has twice dihedral shown other picturesprobably due mounting pins thin music wire As recall basic high-wing monoplane add-ons make biplane trimotor floatplane seaplane wish Im sure can have Xerox copy Glenn might willing loan Winter McIntosh looks like De cember column will include pitch about museum suggestion others good material should help out least well invite Thecoverof 1921 Ideal ModelAeroplane catalog Ideal made kits over 40 years column appears would good time suggest modernized EveryBoys magazines coulduse column show what looked like what said about Glenn would risk showing catalog Id have office Xerox entire thing Other wise Id glad get whatever Xerox copies Place wire rim over wing frame shown Slip short bent end depression inner rib place wire notches other three ribs notches end sticks Pinch tips ribs togetherto hold place info can supply . may able run reasonable copies print some stuff Silver Ace Catalog have some knowledge old firms seems imperative before vanish some us should try least list known companies names addresses dates general remarks about what did already lost information never known anyone alive unless something Ive seen reference US Models mention first have seen Phipps see 74-year-old man doesnt know can move some distance Ill what can arrange historical article exhibit via editors still know AMA museum etc McIntosh Winter should now have copy Silver Ace Catalog Glenn Ledger brought copy instructions Silver Ace Flamingo Ive enclosed letter list Aero Model Prod ucts Co ads American Boy also enclosed first ad ModelAirplane News also shown whether continued Continued page 30 December 1986 29 Mo deI Ajrop1 anes - Supplies 1921 IDEAL AEROPLANE & SUPPLY Co 6567 West Houston St 1 NEW YORK CITY Poles Assbjet chon Wtst Nods I- ARE SHOOTING DOWN HIGH BALSA PRICES WITH SUPER QUALITY Satisfaction Guaranteed Direct Only BALSA SHEETS 36 46 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About 15 years ago found friend work Glenn Ledger interested airplanes made pleasant coffee-break discussions Turned out Glenn especially interested history planes Twenties Thirties side interest models Remembering little variety store NN~ tach wings tho fuselage slipping tho projecting ends wing spars sleeves cowling Turn model upside down attach fourlowershort brace wirestothe holes anchoron fuselage holes wing clips stacks cheap kits Thirties led question manufacturers went Ponds Flying Scale Rubber Model Plans Lists came last list mentioned above Both Glenn subscribed American Boy about same time enjoyed remembering adsfrom Crack etjack fleet Baby ROGs big Ideal models well model articles flying stories full-page Ford Trimotor ads agreed something should done keep being forgotten Glenn obtained micro films American Boy started indexing everything could find aviation 1924 1934 enjoyed rereading num ber old stories Well Jim Noonan indexed AMLA articles also some earlier articles Bill 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plans John Ponds list has best source Occasionally hear people early Scale plans Ponds list Its pleasure share experiences data Now admission As see Im reader model builder Still some time goes building Now usually hardwood reed wire type early models behave could expected reported flight char acteristics early aircraft look align ment surfaces before flight check see propeller shaft bent hope ground loop wont prevent takeoff perhaps break prop hold breath hoping model wont get too high maladjustment little wind may cause aOonraa6c,0 ceacin Slip split-clip lower part rudder through slot back rudder post bend projecting tongues clip back against sides rudder post first side other side just shown illustration No balsa used basswood common has get back down before can stall dive case may model flies perhaps 70 100 ft makes safe landing quite rewarding random Buried boxes Wading River White catalogs dated 1912 glossy paper numerous line halftone repro ductions include vast variety parts supplieschain drives example Obviously still earlier catalogs must exist About six years ago drawing heavily Hertz book biggie phone conversations Charlie Grant did ModelRetailer article called Giants Days much artwork Charlie phoned long dis tance times talked long 2 hours single callabout modeling Twenties companies turned out 300000 ready-to-fly models yearly 1920 1930 beautiful flew amazingly wellI know because flew Formedsheet wings aluminum ribs carved aluminum props paintedI got much 650 ft straight line Charlie now past 90 Inci dentally flew tractor stick over 2000 ft back about 1917 AMA has him tape film get story broader picture what never can know someone should con tinue tape himand must bring least 25 tapes Pioneers warm up after five tapes Hertz book library Modeling today unified thanks great magazines old days left hand did know what right hand doing possible Ideal White Wading River perhaps dozen others sold millions kits basswood bradded nailed together no glue bamboo reedbasically similar 20 years say 1909 1920 Grant using Continued page 141 34Model Aviation save money help AMA NEW PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES CONTRIBUTION OF 15% TO AMA * Order checks through us AMA logo optional * .and 15% purchase price will donated AMA name unique new concept way both yourself AMA result new no-cost partnership have major check printing service members Now can get personalized checks imprinted AMA logo optional prices compara ble lower bank charges will probably save moneyl Best 15% purchase price will come AMA contribution instead bank profit youll receive same high quality processing guarantees youre used Re member asking buy anything already buying just buy through AMA Just thinkl member ordered checks through us uld generate $150000 annually help avoid future dues increases Order now help AMA earn new income keep ad supply checks until re ready re-order customer service call 1-800-328-6795 ext 439 ORDER AMA CHECKS HERE TOI AMA CHECKSI 200 Wallet-Style OX 69 Deposit 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highway en trance field Dick Roe wrote above account present club field accident happened tried summon help means CB Channel 9 .and got absolute ly nothing dont count CB much help Have safe month John Preston c/o AMA 1810 Samuel Morse Dr Reston VA 22090 Plane Talk/Winter Continued page 34 balsa wings200O00 RTFs ready-to-fly year Two different cultures seldom crossing late 20s American Boy tied Aeroplane Model League America AMAs predecessor over 300000 members contests Nationalsand fine flying balsa cement tissue aircraft Lind bergh flew Atlantic result Bernar MacFaddens start-up Model Air plane News fusion point According Rockefeller Foundation 2000000 us Air Youth Thirties What sparked Air Youth masses modelers created across nation Hearst newspapers Junior Birdmen Scripps-Howard papers Junior Aviators followed Lindbergh turned worldmodel full-scale long last things came gether reinforced magazines like Flying Aces Air Trails monster larger audience current magazines combined white-hot progress became commercially case devil take hindmost almost gone now old ones think Ray Arden flying Gas model across Van Courtland Park 1904 Merrill Ham burg made AMLA Jim Walkerthe magician showmanship Joe Ott few us yet Charlie Grant Bert Pond am convinced anyone will salvage history Does anyone care care Bill Winter 4432 Altura Ct Fairfax VA 22030 Editor last Bill Winters Plane Talk columns Bill has already written num ber effect news spreads like wildfire words may sound like something youve heard before Certainly Bill no spring chicken though has cleverly disguised years has reached stage life does enjoy meeting deadlines . keeping files sufficient order able draw column material put nutshell wants rest have wondered out loud Bill will happy doing lifes workwriting and/or editing enjoyment othersand have suggested him possibility continuing column irregular basis said no though responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation remain ready consider alternatives column no seems case suggest readers should mourn its passing Instead think grateful pleasurable reading Bill Winter has provided us years Carl Wheeley Editor Publisher Atrix/Michaelis Continued page 46 tically Shape hatch Groove under side cables can pass over former Add contoured area saddle An optional skid can set slot during construction Goldberg wing skids can go after finish covering Drill shallow holes rudder cable tubes Inset trim flush Attach hold-downs temporarily make template scrap Y16 ply holes spaced match hold-down taps Place position interior bottom mark drilling Make slots about long easily locate taps through fuselage underside Shape fin fine sand fin fuselage hatch using Model Magic filler needed Tex covering excellent both fuse lage fin stretches shrinks wears better unreinforced films Three four thinly-brushed coats clear poly urethane colored stuff makes look like molding Light fiberglass cloth can used too seam bottom extend over hatch saddle areas Heat stretch like crazy nose Attach 1/56 x -in seating tape finished saddle Continued page 144 December 1986 141
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Bill Winter Plane Talk PICTURE WORLD magazines Would hobby exist Youd have say no answer yes would thrive would clubs contests companies tiny its true some would giants out would come magazines spiraling growth has happened before beginning pre-1910 clubs things passing Aero magazines long gone Suppose acquire first model plane 1986 No town has except tiny ad some general magazine catalog order no evidence yours model world will two years before see anyone else model 1986 16 made model two years ago will 59 years before will see photo model built another 38 AMA average age built model 24 years ago 1962 will 37 years before see such photos 60 built model 46 years ago wont see photo same model another 14 years first model Ideal EveryBoys Monoplane Id seen Popular Mechanics 1in ad Ideal sketch Jenny DH 4 great bull-nosed radiator DH-4 Vein Mcintosh Ideal Taube Wright Flier 1984 Flying Aces Club meet Detroit Early Ideal models made extensive use reed curved pieces Its use Wrighttakes libertieswlth scale butdoes yoemans job tyingtogethera convenienttrike gear motor sticks forward biplane canard Motor sticks incline downthrust 5 otherwise wont take off Winter says pine etc props often carved scratch builders An Ideal 6-ft Bleriot also Detroit 1984 just its ready lift off Winter says lip service given flying instructions no mention CG sometimes saying could bend elevators Consequently took Winter year models find out rudi mentary factors No model magazines didnt discover American Boy until 1929 year MAN introduced gas model flown 1904 before born people flew rubber jobs much 2000 ft communications problem Winter says Ideals forte kit designing airplane designing line illustrations scattered throughout instructions condensed originals should give idea well thought out kit Instructions Remove four longest wood pieces also nose plate bulkheads 1 2 3 4 Attach two long wood sticks top bulk heads slipping short side edges bulkheads intothegroovescutinthesticks Lock bending projecting tongues over sticks Add two bottom sticks Smithsonian has full-scale still awes price $750 course wanted father spring 1927 $750 major money graduated grade school gave EveryBoys Mono plane instead cost precious $650 marvelous thinga triumph kit engineering some ways never equalled kit included numerous prefab aluminum parts lovely 10-in Paulownia wood prop good ball-bearing shaft assembly nice rubbertire wheels bamboo paper covering dope believe banana oilthat could buy old-fashioned hardware stores model far overpowered gave rope finest rubber Kits complete days because tarnation could anyone find supplemen tary items today would comprise long list label After supper went off play ball father thing Eighth Wonder World assembled covered ER before got home 10 oclock rigging wires king post turnbuckles take up slack true riggingwhat job warp would never again touch model airplane next day flew tried fly realize now Flying instructions short paragraph No mention CG what S iT.4-l-- CS 4 flCCt flWE s Slip front ends sticks respective grooves nose plate four sticks must correct corners nose plate shown after bend tongues inward lock sticks place 26 Model Aviation adjust machine note could bend down elevators took off rush within 50 feet abruptly nosed up whipstall assume dived Its life must have short tragic though remember dry white cracks rubber overwinding hand must have flown once got off ground such incredible kit etched memories never fade got no kits years driven took two years make model would flyit went 70 ft did know anything about design aerodynamics existed still ignore aerodynamicsI kid Augnst 1961 MANI published article S0S Mar bY Fit rear ends fuselage sticks rudder post two tongues slip grooves sticks Lock sticks place pressing two side pieces Inward until nearlytogether asking thesewere 10 greatest Iknow Zipper Rudder Bug Yates Madman CL Stunter probably Cahills rubber Wake Clodhopper 1912 Cecil Peoli racer twin pusher lasted until 1930s Peoli became show pilot killed Japan 1913 include EveryBoys Monoplane article just came home roost will see Ideal EveryBoys model airplane dream planes Vein McIntosh Por tage MI tells us As now have original EB hand am happily looking forward building flying replica However what Ive heard about flight characteristics isnt good Herb Kelley built EveryBoys 0 4 Place aluminum cowling position making flush nose plate Slip radiator over nose plate over front edge cowling Bend tongue out back lock radiator its place Twenties didnt have good results plane stalled dived finally wrecked Marion McClure owner model Im copying built EB several years ago original kit also trouble stalling diving gave up trials avoid destruction irreplaceable model Cavanaugh writing Aerial Age April 9 1917 apparently referring Scale models says notable exception model seen adjusted fly stably under power dived less steeply ground power ran out article Greatest December1986 27 Mcintosh attaches wing 6-ft Ble riot built Ideal Plan B dated 1917 Tiny vertical tall virtually flat dihedral didnt make things easier Functional sure Yes Bleriot did use landing gear tail skid types shown picture L R An AMLA Baby ROG Vein built September 196740 years after made first Baby ROG 3-ft Ideal Taube built May1975 12-in MegowSPAD middleyears An Ideal Curtiss Military tractor Model exhibit store Ideal kits sold Two aluminum sleeves hold wing spars should slipped place inside cowling projecting tongues ends bent down flush cowling looking sleeves position Vein goes say say EB finished job looked flew fine Id really appreciate anything could tell about model own experience Ideal models ginning about 10 years ago Taube reduced rubber flies well makes decent landing still under power 16 strands Y16 flat called climbs turns lands surprisingly flat attitude Bleriot 1911 very carefully ad justed will make 70- 100-ft flight sag down still partly wound flat landing 2 up elevator zooms stalls Neither weight nose nor downthrust makes less sensitive Anyhow point alter models obtaln flights typical Twenties picture EB Xerox instruction sheet enclosed reminder old times Winter McIntosh material tremendous surprise Like old song re member well some things prove different What involved Ideal thing noble unique effort much thought work must have gone its structural tricks As say too bad did fly well V although known such things probably would have made go must have carried away old MAN copy said flew fine got airborne made terrific impact because never seen anything fly took two summers create something own flew beyond 70 ft think trouble was tremendously overpowered though dont know now might have heavy well time Rubber Scale jobs tended much heavier took power like power bursts thereby magnified adjustment problemsand didnt know first thing about balance Mine took off rush got out about 50 ft stalledrather whiplike indicative some negative pitching moment curve know now could make fly now / WICK CROSS flACK WNOW VSOAMO LaS . -Q S/T Axle installation Slip axle through larger holes landing gear attach brace wire through smaller holes Install wheelsfnuts isnt too heavy dont know what happened mineperhaps broke up What say about other Ideal models interests meespecially Wright Flier dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assure good flight did kit design seemed learn Eaglet circa 1930 Evidently folks got stuff well before did tiny line-sketch ad Popular Mechanics caught first attention Looking photo would say outlines etc viable suspect tailheavy Sure acted way McIntosh Winter description flight characteristics Ideal EveryBoys Aeroplane agrees other two reports plane takes off flies less far stalls As say now could make fly Twenties though remedies have heard adjust elevator little Ideals instructions reduce amount rub ber used inferred Allens book Ideal models also told HL Kelley 28 Model Aviation Ideal Boys Monoplane kitted 1927 authorssfirst airplane roughly 3-ft span Winter says partially prefabbed formed aluminum parts kit fascinated father Pop completed covering four hours Junior played ball carved prop ball bearing shaft aluminum rubber-tired wheels rope fine rubber cost staggering $650 liquids Ideal number truly big firms mass-produced kits mostly Scale roughly 1909 1930s model picture exists belongs builder Marion McClure photo coming Bill Vein Mcintosh other ancients went contests 1920s specializes today building flying otherwise forgotten classics Theres much heady stuff text example Wright Flier proved best flier special breed historic Rubber Scale jobs Fasten two V-shaped sides land ing gear fuselage four clips Pressing tongues clip secures landing gear fuselage Vein built Deperdussin based photo found 1920 Wading River catalog tOfCC *0C* Mount mast overthe hole cowling using special mast Clips bending tongues over done landing gear advice given him during contest Twenties add weight bring balance point forward Ideal never says anything about model should balance EveryBoys added weight would overburden already quite heavy model As changing thrust line Ideal recommends aligning propeller bearing carefully rubber motor goes thought downthrust Wright bi plane flies very stably makes excel lent landings motor sticks aimed quite few degrees above wings angie incidence downthrust pusher angie turns out important wrong 50 less Excuse plans Verrills book very tiny model wouldnt take off until corrected Back EB guess Ill make up plans try have model season still love looks admire way its built Thread propeller shaft through slotted opening nose plate Remove rubber motor box take off rubberbands hold strands together Turn model upside down Let rubber strands slip through openings bulkheads Nos 1 2 3 attaching end hook bulkhead No 4 other prop shaft hook Thanks saying dont think Ideal fussed 1/100th much assuring good flight did kit design Ive heard said people spend effort doing what know best Ideal could did make wonderful precision drawings well-crafted kits did really know much about flight LE Opdycke kindly printed pictures 6-ft Bleriot Wright ones en closed WWIAero July 1985 put touch two people mentioned letter Am also including photo US Model Deperdussin based photo 1920 catalog Thought building attractive Antoinette might turn out good flier would much guesswork AnD o,ns Slip prop onto shaft name Ideal facing front Install nut washer tighten prongs should fit snugly against side prop hub prevent prop turning shaft involved building catalog picture alone couldnt say would behave like original Ideal plans arent hard find early US Model plans seem have lost Winter McIntosh got magnificent pictures Just wonderful what oppor tunity show present-day modelers roots .. know anything about Silver Ace As kid stumbled across parts things like props time time think Fokker Tri-M too will ask AMA Museum curator get touch because doubt have anything much about Ideal Wading River etc McIntosh Winter AMA Museum curator Mr Hurst Bowers has already sent letter hope answer soon kindly offered provide home early Scale model replicas am honored offer retired will gladly offer Turn model upside down slip main wing brace wire anchor place over thetwo lowerfuselagestickssowhenfinally position itwillfltsnuglyagainstthe inside rear supports landing gear museum gifts Lets hope though column will bring responses people originals also plans catalogs etc Hopefully will something US Model Phipps less well-known companies early 1 900s thought about Ideal EveryBoys maybe some justification building look-alike very minor changes wing attack angie thrust line etc modern materials less weight better CG lo cation replicas might fly builders 1920s dreamed would remember Silver Ace ads very well friend Glenn Ledger has cat Slip Inner ribs over straight ends two 1/s x 1/4-in sticks convex edge rib grooves sticks face upward illustration Press ribs grooves spars lock place pushing small tongues upward edge penknife alogsperhaps 1928that has instructions flying models stretch-winding etc shows least picture Silver Ace flight wing has twice dihedral shown other picturesprobably due mounting pins thin music wire As recall basic high-wing monoplane add-ons make biplane trimotor floatplane seaplane wish Im sure can have Xerox copy Glenn might willing loan Winter McIntosh looks like De cember column will include pitch about museum suggestion others good material should help out least well invite Thecoverof 1921 Ideal ModelAeroplane catalog Ideal made kits over 40 years column appears would good time suggest modernized EveryBoys magazines coulduse column show what looked like what said about Glenn would risk showing catalog Id have office Xerox entire thing Other wise Id glad get whatever Xerox copies Place wire rim over wing frame shown Slip short bent end depression inner rib place wire notches other three ribs notches end sticks Pinch tips ribs togetherto hold place info can supply . may able run reasonable copies print some stuff Silver Ace Catalog have some knowledge old firms seems imperative before vanish some us should try least list known companies names addresses dates general remarks about what did already lost information never known anyone alive unless something Ive seen reference US Models mention first have seen Phipps see 74-year-old man doesnt know can move some distance Ill what can arrange historical article exhibit via editors still know AMA museum etc McIntosh Winter should now have copy Silver Ace Catalog Glenn Ledger brought copy instructions Silver Ace Flamingo Ive enclosed letter list Aero Model Prod ucts Co ads American Boy also enclosed first ad ModelAirplane News also shown whether continued Continued page 30 December 1986 29 Mo deI Ajrop1 anes - Supplies 1921 IDEAL AEROPLANE & SUPPLY Co 6567 West Houston St 1 NEW YORK CITY Poles Assbjet chon Wtst Nods I- ARE SHOOTING DOWN HIGH BALSA PRICES WITH SUPER QUALITY Satisfaction Guaranteed Direct Only BALSA SHEETS 36 46 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Rockets Evidently nothing fragile ephemeral yesterdays flying models selves early manufacturers left behind little tangible evidence existence although cases enjoyed tremen dous success brief period Hertz did good job earliest model companies good descriptions White US Model Idealthough two write-ups showed much could done firms catalogs lists some better-known companies late Twenties Thirties says nothing about As mentioned might start list addresses available might worthwhile select some write local libraries records put ad paper see might someone knowledge firm must such people still living still willing look through old ads records newspapers few decades will still have interest Well. happen have started some lists few years back welcome have copies wish list company model plane ads American Boy 1924 through 1934 Date page number Continued page 32 eAMC e .. fl - 7 roacaaaor a, .7 As wing slip wire notches ribs stick Pinch notches together hold wire posi tion Slip clamp up side 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About 15 years ago found friend work Glenn Ledger interested airplanes made pleasant coffee-break discussions Turned out Glenn especially interested history planes Twenties Thirties side interest models Remembering little variety store NN~ tach wings tho fuselage slipping tho projecting ends wing spars sleeves cowling Turn model upside down attach fourlowershort brace wirestothe holes anchoron fuselage holes wing clips stacks cheap kits Thirties led question manufacturers went Ponds Flying Scale Rubber Model Plans Lists came last list mentioned above Both Glenn subscribed American Boy about same time enjoyed remembering adsfrom Crack etjack fleet Baby ROGs big Ideal models well model articles flying stories full-page Ford Trimotor ads agreed something should done keep being forgotten Glenn obtained micro films American Boy started indexing everything could find aviation 1924 1934 enjoyed rereading num ber old stories Well Jim Noonan indexed AMLA articles also some earlier articles Bill 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plans John Ponds list has best source Occasionally hear people early Scale plans Ponds list Its pleasure share experiences data Now admission As see Im reader model builder Still some time goes building Now usually hardwood reed wire type early models behave could expected reported flight char acteristics early aircraft look align ment surfaces before flight check see propeller shaft bent hope ground loop wont prevent takeoff perhaps break prop hold breath hoping model wont get too high maladjustment little wind may cause aOonraa6c,0 ceacin Slip split-clip lower part rudder through slot back rudder post bend projecting tongues clip back against sides rudder post first side other side just shown illustration No balsa used basswood common has get back down before can stall dive case may model flies perhaps 70 100 ft makes safe landing quite rewarding random Buried boxes Wading River White catalogs dated 1912 glossy paper numerous line halftone repro ductions include vast variety parts supplieschain drives example Obviously still earlier catalogs must exist About six years ago drawing heavily Hertz book biggie phone conversations Charlie Grant did ModelRetailer article called Giants Days much artwork Charlie phoned long dis tance times talked long 2 hours single callabout modeling Twenties companies turned out 300000 ready-to-fly models yearly 1920 1930 beautiful flew amazingly wellI know because flew Formedsheet wings aluminum ribs carved aluminum props paintedI got much 650 ft straight line Charlie now past 90 Inci dentally flew tractor stick over 2000 ft back about 1917 AMA has him tape film get story broader picture what never can know someone should con tinue tape himand must bring least 25 tapes Pioneers warm up after five tapes Hertz book library Modeling today unified thanks great magazines old days left hand did know what right hand doing possible Ideal White Wading River perhaps dozen others sold millions kits basswood bradded nailed together no glue bamboo reedbasically similar 20 years say 1909 1920 Grant using Continued page 141 34Model Aviation save money help AMA NEW PARTNERSHIP PROVIDES CONTRIBUTION OF 15% TO AMA * Order checks through us AMA logo optional * .and 15% purchase price will donated AMA name unique new concept way both yourself AMA result new no-cost partnership have major check printing service members Now can get personalized checks imprinted AMA logo optional prices compara ble lower bank charges will probably save moneyl Best 15% purchase price will come AMA contribution instead bank profit youll receive same high quality processing guarantees youre used Re member asking buy anything already buying just buy through AMA Just thinkl member ordered checks through us uld generate $150000 annually help avoid future dues increases Order now help AMA earn new income keep ad supply checks until re ready re-order customer service call 1-800-328-6795 ext 439 ORDER AMA CHECKS HERE TOI AMA CHECKSI 200 Wallet-Style OX 69 Deposit 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highway en trance field Dick Roe wrote above account present club field accident happened tried summon help means CB Channel 9 .and got absolute ly nothing dont count CB much help Have safe month John Preston c/o AMA 1810 Samuel Morse Dr Reston VA 22090 Plane Talk/Winter Continued page 34 balsa wings200O00 RTFs ready-to-fly year Two different cultures seldom crossing late 20s American Boy tied Aeroplane Model League America AMAs predecessor over 300000 members contests Nationalsand fine flying balsa cement tissue aircraft Lind bergh flew Atlantic result Bernar MacFaddens start-up Model Air plane News fusion point According Rockefeller Foundation 2000000 us Air Youth Thirties What sparked Air Youth masses modelers created across nation Hearst newspapers Junior Birdmen Scripps-Howard papers Junior Aviators followed Lindbergh turned worldmodel full-scale long last things came gether reinforced magazines like Flying Aces Air Trails monster larger audience current magazines combined white-hot progress became commercially case devil take hindmost almost gone now old ones think Ray Arden flying Gas model across Van Courtland Park 1904 Merrill Ham burg made AMLA Jim Walkerthe magician showmanship Joe Ott few us yet Charlie Grant Bert Pond am convinced anyone will salvage history Does anyone care care Bill Winter 4432 Altura Ct Fairfax VA 22030 Editor last Bill Winters Plane Talk columns Bill has already written num ber effect news spreads like wildfire words may sound like something youve heard before Certainly Bill no spring chicken though has cleverly disguised years has reached stage life does enjoy meeting deadlines . keeping files sufficient order able draw column material put nutshell wants rest have wondered out loud Bill will happy doing lifes workwriting and/or editing enjoyment othersand have suggested him possibility continuing column irregular basis said no though responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation remain ready consider alternatives column no seems case suggest readers should mourn its passing Instead think grateful pleasurable reading Bill Winter has provided us years Carl Wheeley Editor Publisher Atrix/Michaelis Continued page 46 tically Shape hatch Groove under side cables can pass over former Add contoured area saddle An optional skid can set slot during construction Goldberg wing skids can go after finish covering Drill shallow holes rudder cable tubes Inset trim flush Attach hold-downs temporarily make template scrap Y16 ply holes spaced match hold-down taps Place position interior bottom mark drilling Make slots about long easily locate taps through fuselage underside Shape fin fine sand fin fuselage hatch using Model Magic filler needed Tex covering excellent both fuse lage fin stretches shrinks wears better unreinforced films Three four thinly-brushed coats clear poly urethane colored stuff makes look like molding Light fiberglass cloth can used too seam bottom extend over hatch saddle areas Heat stretch like crazy nose Attach 1/56 x -in seating tape finished saddle Continued page 144 December 1986 141