Sport Aerobatics Ron Van Putte SANDBAGGING Its tough enough advance through Pattern classes having compete against individuals refuse advance next classeven though have earned enough advancement points AMA rule book par 39821 states flier accumulating exceeding 100 points will automatically advanced next higher competition class end calendar year goes say Time required acquire 100 points has no limit contestants point accumulation does start over again beginning new year continues until ever 100 points reached think Pattern flier knows least individual parked class usually Expert refuses move up individuals say things like dont keep track points Points earned Nats dont count Youre supposed start counting zero year Just what people get out winning trophies class should have advanced out con founds Its like Larry Bird picking kids local playground basketball game Wheres satisfaction understand Kevin Castaing New Iberia LA got fed up peren nial Expert east Texas submit ted proposal change way points calculated proposed AMA should take reports Contest Directors submit after contest prepare computer record advance ment points flier proposal rejected being too costly proba bly would cost bit set up Id willing contribute get such system started Perhaps Pattern fliers could have extra assessment added nual dues Id favor about rest Pattern fliers Let hear better yettell AMA. way flier come up contest recently say should move up Master class because wrote column told him Id move up earned way out Expert have 32 points now before reminded similar situation competing Class what now called Sportsman Another flier said too good class should move up asked him explain wasnt winning trophies good back days top three fliers got advancement points summer finished fourth place four times earned no points contests fourth out 25 fliers beat 21 fliers got no points new point-accumulation system much better fliers must honest make work year Ive noticed significant increase attendance Pattern contests Southeast contests Ive attended 25% 50% contes tants last year Thats good sign future Pattern trend nationwide Pattern heyday during mid-Seventies Unusual have 0 100 contestants major contests Kirkland Memorial contests WhichI Contest Director 88 contestants three flight lines trailers transport contestants hundreds feet wire communica tion public address system real show came recession gas shortages Within three years number contestants down 25 thought about cancelling contest Lets hope Pattern revival continues us have using new big four-cycle engines Turnaround airplanes have impressed power torque possess use surpris ingly little fuel flier can easily get through two complete Turnaround sequenc es eight ounces fuel land fuel tank seemed like four cycle 120 engines nearly perfect However lately Ive hearing about four-cycle engine problems Some fliers have complained about blowing holes lower crankcase local flier bottom crankcase front housing come apart found prop what left front housing some pieces missing mess Apparently problems related trying get increasing amounts horse power out fixed-displacement engine satisfy Pattern fliers demands vertical-performance capability Ive heard explanations three causes problems high nitromethane levels and/or low oil content fuel excessive crankcase pressures Whatever causes engines breaking up wont mention manufacturer because Ive heard several fliers whd similar problems have 48 Model Aviation Seeing double big plane above US Eagle Elliptic Turnaround pattern pianewith big 05 1 2cu 4-stroke engine 865 sq wing area plane beiow 4Oslze glow engine version design well-treated sought aid getting engines fixed hope prob lems resolved soon because doesnt anyone good have engines come apart competition no matter good source providing repair service course now horsepower race four-cycle engines lot fliers having problems passing noise test few things can done alleviate situation doesnt reduce power availa ble Obviously effective muffler helps reduce noisebut reduces power lot prop diameter/pitch combina tions quieter others Un fortunately best prop vertical performance often noisiest flier could back off needle valve pass noise test hes honest hell fly engine setting will lose vertical performance So whats solution Changing rule about sound-level meter placed relative engine could give relief reason four-cycle engines cant pass noise test sound meter meter engine head because loud up close However very few people would argue against fact four-cycle engine much quieter comparable two-cycle engine normal Pattern distances Thats really intent noise rule So think sound meter should least three meters away engine small reduction allowable noise level However changing FAT rule may tough An interesting note FAT F3A Turnaround World Championships foreign competi tors will flying airplanes will look just like conventional Pattern airplanes may slightly larger somewhat lighter wont look lot different will have two-cycle engines large diameter/high pitch propellers So will still relatively fast groovy other hand Continued page 124 Two pIctures Sheldon Birenbaums Canoga Park CA beautiful bipenamed Cece after hit wife Top wing spans 48 bottom 46 Structure balsa spruce siik covering RCers stlli use silk days 40 SIZE LITTLE SUPER LUCKY FLY II REG $11995 SPECIAL S9995SPECIAL S8995 60 Super Lucky Fly 40 Little Super Lucky Fly both superb air cratt br sport pattern flyera Prealigned tusetage toam wing 164 plywood covering makea either Lucky Fly easy build aa easy Ity THE JC TRAINERS Build halt time Jig built balsa tuselage 90% built wing Full size ptans Decal torms windshield Escetlent instructions br tirst time builder September 1985 49 SPECIAL THIS MONTH ONLY! Ready-Built 1/64 Plywood Covered Wing 60 SIZE SUPER LUCKY FLY II REG $13995 60 SizeRegular $9995SPECIAL $7995 40 SizeRegular $7995SPECIAL $5995 20 SizeRegular $5495SPECIAL $3995 Optional Sport Wing Versionsat No Extra Charge DODGSON DESIGNS WINDSONG CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS the top thermal contest flyers over country turining Windsong top competition glider answer simple want win Meet Bernie Coleman Charlotte NC Windsong Pictured trophies Bernies winning 1st place overall high score third annual SHM Contest Winston-Salem N C May 11th 12th 1985 May 25th 26th 1985 Bernie won 2-meter K- ow predecessor Pixy 5th Open Class Rebel C C Rally Windsong John Gunsallus won first overall Ed Berton won 4th Windsongs Jacksonville FL Jake Watkins won 1985 NW NSS regional contest both open class overall high score flying windsong Dave Johnson won dard class Camano Dodgson Designs planes finished 1st C through 8th class want win sten Champions song 19995Cauiano 15995Pixy 14995 2 stamps catalog $25 VHS video tape I SW CAMANO DRIVE CAMANO ISLAND WA 9829 RC Scale/Wischers Continued page 121 thicker balsa sheeting /32 in place A6 will provide additional safety fac tor though weakness exists fiberglass cloth remains best method building-in strength com posite construction because large area covered flight surfaces point discussion shouldnt feel fiberglass makes wing stabilizer invulnerable damage After hard landing look compres sion fracture across wing strength impaired cutouts retract able landing gear stabilizers lower surface line attached fuselage likely point fracture Obviously same points vulnera ble airplanes covered fiber glass cloth Airplanes come apart midair have seen number heard others probably history bad-landing damage before catastrophe Bob Dolly Wischer S-221 Lapham Peak Rd Delafield WI 53018 responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation RC Aerobatics/Van Putte Continued page 49 US team likely have airplanes like Laser 200 Frackowiaks Challenger II Chidgeys Tar Baby Circus Hobbies Stevens Akromaster other large slow airplanes powered fourcycle 120 engines problem Well could problem US team Lets suppose am foreign judge used seeing fast groovy airplanes perform Turn around pattern am judge World Championships would judge US team entries rule book says maneuver graded 'smoothness gracefulness' slow four-cycle-powered airplanes will look smooth graceful two-cycle-powered cousins US team could really get clobbered foreign judges saving feature US team entries will will able stay box much easi ly two-cycle-engine powered en tries make up some ground keeping maneuvers plane height will allow seen clearly judges approximately 60 vertically 1200 horizontally will interesting World Championships Doug Dahlke Oshkosh WI calls EAA-ville wrote help out think letter part said few quick comments column June 1985 First comments about ukie conversions RC R VP sounds like talking about CL stuff 20 years ago may intent sug gested . horizontal tail area 20% 25% wing area.. will turn page 70 June 1985 issue Ted Fanchers column will see .the area stab elevator should normally between 20% 25% wing area has pret ty much standard decade ukie Stunt ships True elevator should reduced RC Also clear trend towards longer aft movement arms CL Stunters Perhaps quite full 3 3 times suggest newer stuff much better respect Well what can say Perhaps can hedge saying first powered air plane RC deBolt Kitten flew 1954I never flew CL airplane life way whats ukie Just kidding meantime may landings wheels down Ron Van Putte 111 Sleepy Oaks Rd Ft Walton Beach FL 32548 124 Modei Aviation DUDGSON DESIGNS 2904 read about Model Aviation writing advertisers mention QUARTERSCALE SPAN 89 SCALE PLANS & NOTES $ 2995 PARTIAL KIT & PLANS $12500 BUILT UP TO ROUGH IT $50000 OS 61 8500 $11500 PIPER Thi-PACER PA-22 PAN SCALE 5 DH-85 LEOPARD MOTHE SPAN SCALE 5 642-84651 DH-8O russ MOThE SPAN SCALE 5
Edition: Model Aviation - 1985/09
Page Numbers: 48, 49, 124
Sport Aerobatics Ron Van Putte SANDBAGGING Its tough enough advance through Pattern classes having compete against individuals refuse advance next classeven though have earned enough advancement points AMA rule book par 39821 states flier accumulating exceeding 100 points will automatically advanced next higher competition class end calendar year goes say Time required acquire 100 points has no limit contestants point accumulation does start over again beginning new year continues until ever 100 points reached think Pattern flier knows least individual parked class usually Expert refuses move up individuals say things like dont keep track points Points earned Nats dont count Youre supposed start counting zero year Just what people get out winning trophies class should have advanced out con founds Its like Larry Bird picking kids local playground basketball game Wheres satisfaction understand Kevin Castaing New Iberia LA got fed up peren nial Expert east Texas submit ted proposal change way points calculated proposed AMA should take reports Contest Directors submit after contest prepare computer record advance ment points flier proposal rejected being too costly proba bly would cost bit set up Id willing contribute get such system started Perhaps Pattern fliers could have extra assessment added nual dues Id favor about rest Pattern fliers Let hear better yettell AMA. way flier come up contest recently say should move up Master class because wrote column told him Id move up earned way out Expert have 32 points now before reminded similar situation competing Class what now called Sportsman Another flier said too good class should move up asked him explain wasnt winning trophies good back days top three fliers got advancement points summer finished fourth place four times earned no points contests fourth out 25 fliers beat 21 fliers got no points new point-accumulation system much better fliers must honest make work year Ive noticed significant increase attendance Pattern contests Southeast contests Ive attended 25% 50% contes tants last year Thats good sign future Pattern trend nationwide Pattern heyday during mid-Seventies Unusual have 0 100 contestants major contests Kirkland Memorial contests WhichI Contest Director 88 contestants three flight lines trailers transport contestants hundreds feet wire communica tion public address system real show came recession gas shortages Within three years number contestants down 25 thought about cancelling contest Lets hope Pattern revival continues us have using new big four-cycle engines Turnaround airplanes have impressed power torque possess use surpris ingly little fuel flier can easily get through two complete Turnaround sequenc es eight ounces fuel land fuel tank seemed like four cycle 120 engines nearly perfect However lately Ive hearing about four-cycle engine problems Some fliers have complained about blowing holes lower crankcase local flier bottom crankcase front housing come apart found prop what left front housing some pieces missing mess Apparently problems related trying get increasing amounts horse power out fixed-displacement engine satisfy Pattern fliers demands vertical-performance capability Ive heard explanations three causes problems high nitromethane levels and/or low oil content fuel excessive crankcase pressures Whatever causes engines breaking up wont mention manufacturer because Ive heard several fliers whd similar problems have 48 Model Aviation Seeing double big plane above US Eagle Elliptic Turnaround pattern pianewith big 05 1 2cu 4-stroke engine 865 sq wing area plane beiow 4Oslze glow engine version design well-treated sought aid getting engines fixed hope prob lems resolved soon because doesnt anyone good have engines come apart competition no matter good source providing repair service course now horsepower race four-cycle engines lot fliers having problems passing noise test few things can done alleviate situation doesnt reduce power availa ble Obviously effective muffler helps reduce noisebut reduces power lot prop diameter/pitch combina tions quieter others Un fortunately best prop vertical performance often noisiest flier could back off needle valve pass noise test hes honest hell fly engine setting will lose vertical performance So whats solution Changing rule about sound-level meter placed relative engine could give relief reason four-cycle engines cant pass noise test sound meter meter engine head because loud up close However very few people would argue against fact four-cycle engine much quieter comparable two-cycle engine normal Pattern distances Thats really intent noise rule So think sound meter should least three meters away engine small reduction allowable noise level However changing FAT rule may tough An interesting note FAT F3A Turnaround World Championships foreign competi tors will flying airplanes will look just like conventional Pattern airplanes may slightly larger somewhat lighter wont look lot different will have two-cycle engines large diameter/high pitch propellers So will still relatively fast groovy other hand Continued page 124 Two pIctures Sheldon Birenbaums Canoga Park CA beautiful bipenamed Cece after hit wife Top wing spans 48 bottom 46 Structure balsa spruce siik covering RCers stlli use silk days 40 SIZE LITTLE SUPER LUCKY FLY II REG $11995 SPECIAL S9995SPECIAL S8995 60 Super Lucky Fly 40 Little Super Lucky Fly both superb air cratt br sport pattern flyera Prealigned tusetage toam wing 164 plywood covering makea either Lucky Fly easy build aa easy Ity THE JC TRAINERS Build halt time Jig built balsa tuselage 90% built wing Full size ptans Decal torms windshield Escetlent instructions br tirst time builder September 1985 49 SPECIAL THIS MONTH ONLY! Ready-Built 1/64 Plywood Covered Wing 60 SIZE SUPER LUCKY FLY II REG $13995 60 SizeRegular $9995SPECIAL $7995 40 SizeRegular $7995SPECIAL $5995 20 SizeRegular $5495SPECIAL $3995 Optional Sport Wing Versionsat No Extra Charge DODGSON DESIGNS WINDSONG CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS the top thermal contest flyers over country turining Windsong top competition glider answer simple want win Meet Bernie Coleman Charlotte NC Windsong Pictured trophies Bernies winning 1st place overall high score third annual SHM Contest Winston-Salem N C May 11th 12th 1985 May 25th 26th 1985 Bernie won 2-meter K- ow predecessor Pixy 5th Open Class Rebel C C Rally Windsong John Gunsallus won first overall Ed Berton won 4th Windsongs Jacksonville FL Jake Watkins won 1985 NW NSS regional contest both open class overall high score flying windsong Dave Johnson won dard class Camano Dodgson Designs planes finished 1st C through 8th class want win sten Champions song 19995Cauiano 15995Pixy 14995 2 stamps catalog $25 VHS video tape I SW CAMANO DRIVE CAMANO ISLAND WA 9829 RC Scale/Wischers Continued page 121 thicker balsa sheeting /32 in place A6 will provide additional safety fac tor though weakness exists fiberglass cloth remains best method building-in strength com posite construction because large area covered flight surfaces point discussion shouldnt feel fiberglass makes wing stabilizer invulnerable damage After hard landing look compres sion fracture across wing strength impaired cutouts retract able landing gear stabilizers lower surface line attached fuselage likely point fracture Obviously same points vulnera ble airplanes covered fiber glass cloth Airplanes come apart midair have seen number heard others probably history bad-landing damage before catastrophe Bob Dolly Wischer S-221 Lapham Peak Rd Delafield WI 53018 responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation RC Aerobatics/Van Putte Continued page 49 US team likely have airplanes like Laser 200 Frackowiaks Challenger II Chidgeys Tar Baby Circus Hobbies Stevens Akromaster other large slow airplanes powered fourcycle 120 engines problem Well could problem US team Lets suppose am foreign judge used seeing fast groovy airplanes perform Turn around pattern am judge World Championships would judge US team entries rule book says maneuver graded 'smoothness gracefulness' slow four-cycle-powered airplanes will look smooth graceful two-cycle-powered cousins US team could really get clobbered foreign judges saving feature US team entries will will able stay box much easi ly two-cycle-engine powered en tries make up some ground keeping maneuvers plane height will allow seen clearly judges approximately 60 vertically 1200 horizontally will interesting World Championships Doug Dahlke Oshkosh WI calls EAA-ville wrote help out think letter part said few quick comments column June 1985 First comments about ukie conversions RC R VP sounds like talking about CL stuff 20 years ago may intent sug gested . horizontal tail area 20% 25% wing area.. will turn page 70 June 1985 issue Ted Fanchers column will see .the area stab elevator should normally between 20% 25% wing area has pret ty much standard decade ukie Stunt ships True elevator should reduced RC Also clear trend towards longer aft movement arms CL Stunters Perhaps quite full 3 3 times suggest newer stuff much better respect Well what can say Perhaps can hedge saying first powered air plane RC deBolt Kitten flew 1954I never flew CL airplane life way whats ukie Just kidding meantime may landings wheels down Ron Van Putte 111 Sleepy Oaks Rd Ft Walton Beach FL 32548 124 Modei Aviation DUDGSON DESIGNS 2904 read about Model Aviation writing advertisers mention QUARTERSCALE SPAN 89 SCALE PLANS & NOTES $ 2995 PARTIAL KIT & PLANS $12500 BUILT UP TO ROUGH IT $50000 OS 61 8500 $11500 PIPER Thi-PACER PA-22 PAN SCALE 5 DH-85 LEOPARD MOTHE SPAN SCALE 5 642-84651 DH-8O russ MOThE SPAN SCALE 5
Edition: Model Aviation - 1985/09
Page Numbers: 48, 49, 124
Sport Aerobatics Ron Van Putte SANDBAGGING Its tough enough advance through Pattern classes having compete against individuals refuse advance next classeven though have earned enough advancement points AMA rule book par 39821 states flier accumulating exceeding 100 points will automatically advanced next higher competition class end calendar year goes say Time required acquire 100 points has no limit contestants point accumulation does start over again beginning new year continues until ever 100 points reached think Pattern flier knows least individual parked class usually Expert refuses move up individuals say things like dont keep track points Points earned Nats dont count Youre supposed start counting zero year Just what people get out winning trophies class should have advanced out con founds Its like Larry Bird picking kids local playground basketball game Wheres satisfaction understand Kevin Castaing New Iberia LA got fed up peren nial Expert east Texas submit ted proposal change way points calculated proposed AMA should take reports Contest Directors submit after contest prepare computer record advance ment points flier proposal rejected being too costly proba bly would cost bit set up Id willing contribute get such system started Perhaps Pattern fliers could have extra assessment added nual dues Id favor about rest Pattern fliers Let hear better yettell AMA. way flier come up contest recently say should move up Master class because wrote column told him Id move up earned way out Expert have 32 points now before reminded similar situation competing Class what now called Sportsman Another flier said too good class should move up asked him explain wasnt winning trophies good back days top three fliers got advancement points summer finished fourth place four times earned no points contests fourth out 25 fliers beat 21 fliers got no points new point-accumulation system much better fliers must honest make work year Ive noticed significant increase attendance Pattern contests Southeast contests Ive attended 25% 50% contes tants last year Thats good sign future Pattern trend nationwide Pattern heyday during mid-Seventies Unusual have 0 100 contestants major contests Kirkland Memorial contests WhichI Contest Director 88 contestants three flight lines trailers transport contestants hundreds feet wire communica tion public address system real show came recession gas shortages Within three years number contestants down 25 thought about cancelling contest Lets hope Pattern revival continues us have using new big four-cycle engines Turnaround airplanes have impressed power torque possess use surpris ingly little fuel flier can easily get through two complete Turnaround sequenc es eight ounces fuel land fuel tank seemed like four cycle 120 engines nearly perfect However lately Ive hearing about four-cycle engine problems Some fliers have complained about blowing holes lower crankcase local flier bottom crankcase front housing come apart found prop what left front housing some pieces missing mess Apparently problems related trying get increasing amounts horse power out fixed-displacement engine satisfy Pattern fliers demands vertical-performance capability Ive heard explanations three causes problems high nitromethane levels and/or low oil content fuel excessive crankcase pressures Whatever causes engines breaking up wont mention manufacturer because Ive heard several fliers whd similar problems have 48 Model Aviation Seeing double big plane above US Eagle Elliptic Turnaround pattern pianewith big 05 1 2cu 4-stroke engine 865 sq wing area plane beiow 4Oslze glow engine version design well-treated sought aid getting engines fixed hope prob lems resolved soon because doesnt anyone good have engines come apart competition no matter good source providing repair service course now horsepower race four-cycle engines lot fliers having problems passing noise test few things can done alleviate situation doesnt reduce power availa ble Obviously effective muffler helps reduce noisebut reduces power lot prop diameter/pitch combina tions quieter others Un fortunately best prop vertical performance often noisiest flier could back off needle valve pass noise test hes honest hell fly engine setting will lose vertical performance So whats solution Changing rule about sound-level meter placed relative engine could give relief reason four-cycle engines cant pass noise test sound meter meter engine head because loud up close However very few people would argue against fact four-cycle engine much quieter comparable two-cycle engine normal Pattern distances Thats really intent noise rule So think sound meter should least three meters away engine small reduction allowable noise level However changing FAT rule may tough An interesting note FAT F3A Turnaround World Championships foreign competi tors will flying airplanes will look just like conventional Pattern airplanes may slightly larger somewhat lighter wont look lot different will have two-cycle engines large diameter/high pitch propellers So will still relatively fast groovy other hand Continued page 124 Two pIctures Sheldon Birenbaums Canoga Park CA beautiful bipenamed Cece after hit wife Top wing spans 48 bottom 46 Structure balsa spruce siik covering RCers stlli use silk days 40 SIZE LITTLE SUPER LUCKY FLY II REG $11995 SPECIAL S9995SPECIAL S8995 60 Super Lucky Fly 40 Little Super Lucky Fly both superb air cratt br sport pattern flyera Prealigned tusetage toam wing 164 plywood covering makea either Lucky Fly easy build aa easy Ity THE JC TRAINERS Build halt time Jig built balsa tuselage 90% built wing Full size ptans Decal torms windshield Escetlent instructions br tirst time builder September 1985 49 SPECIAL THIS MONTH ONLY! Ready-Built 1/64 Plywood Covered Wing 60 SIZE SUPER LUCKY FLY II REG $13995 60 SizeRegular $9995SPECIAL $7995 40 SizeRegular $7995SPECIAL $5995 20 SizeRegular $5495SPECIAL $3995 Optional Sport Wing Versionsat No Extra Charge DODGSON DESIGNS WINDSONG CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS the top thermal contest flyers over country turining Windsong top competition glider answer simple want win Meet Bernie Coleman Charlotte NC Windsong Pictured trophies Bernies winning 1st place overall high score third annual SHM Contest Winston-Salem N C May 11th 12th 1985 May 25th 26th 1985 Bernie won 2-meter K- ow predecessor Pixy 5th Open Class Rebel C C Rally Windsong John Gunsallus won first overall Ed Berton won 4th Windsongs Jacksonville FL Jake Watkins won 1985 NW NSS regional contest both open class overall high score flying windsong Dave Johnson won dard class Camano Dodgson Designs planes finished 1st C through 8th class want win sten Champions song 19995Cauiano 15995Pixy 14995 2 stamps catalog $25 VHS video tape I SW CAMANO DRIVE CAMANO ISLAND WA 9829 RC Scale/Wischers Continued page 121 thicker balsa sheeting /32 in place A6 will provide additional safety fac tor though weakness exists fiberglass cloth remains best method building-in strength com posite construction because large area covered flight surfaces point discussion shouldnt feel fiberglass makes wing stabilizer invulnerable damage After hard landing look compres sion fracture across wing strength impaired cutouts retract able landing gear stabilizers lower surface line attached fuselage likely point fracture Obviously same points vulnera ble airplanes covered fiber glass cloth Airplanes come apart midair have seen number heard others probably history bad-landing damage before catastrophe Bob Dolly Wischer S-221 Lapham Peak Rd Delafield WI 53018 responding advertisers mention read about Model Aviation RC Aerobatics/Van Putte Continued page 49 US team likely have airplanes like Laser 200 Frackowiaks Challenger II Chidgeys Tar Baby Circus Hobbies Stevens Akromaster other large slow airplanes powered fourcycle 120 engines problem Well could problem US team Lets suppose am foreign judge used seeing fast groovy airplanes perform Turn around pattern am judge World Championships would judge US team entries rule book says maneuver graded 'smoothness gracefulness' slow four-cycle-powered airplanes will look smooth graceful two-cycle-powered cousins US team could really get clobbered foreign judges saving feature US team entries will will able stay box much easi ly two-cycle-engine powered en tries make up some ground keeping maneuvers plane height will allow seen clearly judges approximately 60 vertically 1200 horizontally will interesting World Championships Doug Dahlke Oshkosh WI calls EAA-ville wrote help out think letter part said few quick comments column June 1985 First comments about ukie conversions RC R VP sounds like talking about CL stuff 20 years ago may intent sug gested . horizontal tail area 20% 25% wing area.. will turn page 70 June 1985 issue Ted Fanchers column will see .the area stab elevator should normally between 20% 25% wing area has pret ty much standard decade ukie Stunt ships True elevator should reduced RC Also clear trend towards longer aft movement arms CL Stunters Perhaps quite full 3 3 times suggest newer stuff much better respect Well what can say Perhaps can hedge saying first powered air plane RC deBolt Kitten flew 1954I never flew CL airplane life way whats ukie Just kidding meantime may landings wheels down Ron Van Putte 111 Sleepy Oaks Rd Ft Walton Beach FL 32548 124 Modei Aviation DUDGSON DESIGNS 2904 read about Model Aviation writing advertisers mention QUARTERSCALE SPAN 89 SCALE PLANS & NOTES $ 2995 PARTIAL KIT & PLANS $12500 BUILT UP TO ROUGH IT $50000 OS 61 8500 $11500 PIPER Thi-PACER PA-22 PAN SCALE 5 DH-85 LEOPARD MOTHE SPAN SCALE 5 642-84651 DH-8O russ MOThE SPAN SCALE 5