Aerobatics MORE INQUIRIES received con cerning Gieseke Nobler per haps other stunt plane following will two-part article modifica tion basic kit plans infor mation contained herein has checked over detail World Champion 1974 Walker Cup Nationals Champ 66 68 74 75 Bob Gieseke Irving Tex Bob started flying basic Nobler design way back around 1959 over years version has come known Gieseke Nobler hereafter re ferred GN 15-20 ver sions has built has suc cessful 1974 model featured wing 1968 ship wing won 68 Nats 3rd 69 Nats 2nd FAI tryouts 69 74 plane won 74 World Champs 74 Nats 2nd FAI tryouts 75 3rd 76 World Champs Engine Bob has used venerable Fox 35 since 1959 form another addition muffler somewhat handicaps already marginal power Fox Bob has using Bob Paul Cleveland Ohio muffler last cou ple years has reduced power loss minimum Engine work left up Should version GN go over 42 oz may trouble un less try Max 35which probably has raw poweror try HP 40 Bill Werwage has 76 42-oz Perroquet Ares Lately Bob has using K&B LL plug Sig 5% fuel 25% oil Rev-up 10-6W prop 1-in spinner no fuel filter no prop exten sion Bob estimates utilizes about 2 degrees engine offset Tank Bob uses reworked Veco Clary etc 4 oz tank set up regular suction system using muffler pressure Typical setup vent top tank vent bottom uses baffle lengthwise tank tanks built tried removable couldnt keep front end plane together writer advises removable tank us beginners Bob re plied beef up front end steel Weight Obviously im portant items GN comes out over 42 oz dont expect fly com petitively national level least Fox says Bob preferably should 38-40 oz especially true smaller 50-in wing used GNs like 1974 version Bob states Ready cover everything thats tank engine prop spinner wheels tip weight cowl except wheel pants plane should weigh 30-32 oz will come out near 40 oz Lexingtonian Randy Han cock has GN ready final painting weighs 24 oz wheels wheel pants cowl minus engine tank tip weight prop spinner muffler should come out about 41 oz Bob further states things peo ple missing boat subject wheel pants make too large Mine 5/t thick use Dons wheels Wing The ribs airplanes traced using stock Nobler rib tracing around fat ballpoint pen Dont laugh wing 68 won Nats twice WC says Bob wing D-tuhe just like kit Same 2-in sweep Bob has experi continued page 93 December 1976 25 Above Bob Gieseke red Nobler 74 Nats Top R World Champ plane 75 FAIsnote tip outline Right Front end 74 shipmuffler air exhaust plumbing muffler pressure Below Randy Hancocks Gieseke Nobler Werwage Ares tips rudder fluencenote gear placement custom canopy photos Wynn Paul CL Aerobatics/Paul continued page 25 mented wing spans 50 53 excluding 48-in span 1976 ship has seen competition writing 74 version has span 5025 one-in unequal panels Bellcrank location same Nobler plans root tip chords 10 8 just about same kit Bob uses adjustable leadouts individually adjustable leadout placement critical building 74 wing fully sheeted using 3/32-in wood spar built 1/16-in stock quarter-grain super-light balsa Generally speaking wing tips slightly squared off shown pic tures tips usually solid blocks have hollowed out Bob gener ally uses about ounce tip weight make yours adjustable Foam Gieseke Nobler wings avail able Control Specialties Company 205 Wood Ave P 0 Box 268 Middle sex NJ 08846 Foam Nobler wings available CSC Arnold Stott Mankato Models 628 West 6th St Mankato MN 56001 chief difference between foam models CSC Gieseke Nobler wing slightly thicker stock Nobler wing Flaps factor Bob has changed cut added put tabs taken off tabs fiddled bent used electrical tape gone plumb crazy has tried flap spans full 75% span flaps successful WC plane root chord 2 tip chord s plane fi nally came out 2025 out board 1987 5 inboard Yes inboard flap shorter out board However Bob suggests mod elers use inboard flap 21 outboard flap 2025 Bob stated can carry tip weight less outboard flap. suppose experts will have lot say over one. however works larger inboard flap will cut down disadvantages too much tip weight Everyone planes different. change year another. just play weight flaps till get happy stop. wonder will occur go crazy its time cut flap new wing uses 1/4 balsa stock flaps Flap Horns starting Nobler kit scratch advisable use accessory items Top Flite flap horns kit supplied ones Veco horns Lost Veco horn 63 Took about dozen Vecos Top Flites down magnafluxed Top Flites passed Vecos says Bob Tail Plane stabilizer WC plane has root chord 3 tip chord about 2 span 20 al though Bob has tried spans up 24 elevators 3 root chord 2 tip build stab Bob relates actually start fat ine light balsa cut out center use 3/32 ..... Fat means slightly over /2 thick versions have built less /2 thick stab elevators others area Texas go right Seems build up speed wind know hard get light might well forget build something else Stab elevators have 1/16 sheeting Bobs 1976 version flying pretty good until just before leaving World Championships Minor differences include 48 wing span elevators 325 root chord Bob stated 76 ship really very good going very well thought could go better finally messed up Cut too much off flaps burned up Fox leaving month Holland serious illness family decided get 68-74 plane down go next months installment will take up fuselage force moment arms fin ishing flying other miscellaneous items Wynn Paul 1640 Maywick Dr. Lex. Ky 40504 December1976 93
Edition: Model Aviation - 1976/12
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Aerobatics MORE INQUIRIES received con cerning Gieseke Nobler per haps other stunt plane following will two-part article modifica tion basic kit plans infor mation contained herein has checked over detail World Champion 1974 Walker Cup Nationals Champ 66 68 74 75 Bob Gieseke Irving Tex Bob started flying basic Nobler design way back around 1959 over years version has come known Gieseke Nobler hereafter re ferred GN 15-20 ver sions has built has suc cessful 1974 model featured wing 1968 ship wing won 68 Nats 3rd 69 Nats 2nd FAI tryouts 69 74 plane won 74 World Champs 74 Nats 2nd FAI tryouts 75 3rd 76 World Champs Engine Bob has used venerable Fox 35 since 1959 form another addition muffler somewhat handicaps already marginal power Fox Bob has using Bob Paul Cleveland Ohio muffler last cou ple years has reduced power loss minimum Engine work left up Should version GN go over 42 oz may trouble un less try Max 35which probably has raw poweror try HP 40 Bill Werwage has 76 42-oz Perroquet Ares Lately Bob has using K&B LL plug Sig 5% fuel 25% oil Rev-up 10-6W prop 1-in spinner no fuel filter no prop exten sion Bob estimates utilizes about 2 degrees engine offset Tank Bob uses reworked Veco Clary etc 4 oz tank set up regular suction system using muffler pressure Typical setup vent top tank vent bottom uses baffle lengthwise tank tanks built tried removable couldnt keep front end plane together writer advises removable tank us beginners Bob re plied beef up front end steel Weight Obviously im portant items GN comes out over 42 oz dont expect fly com petitively national level least Fox says Bob preferably should 38-40 oz especially true smaller 50-in wing used GNs like 1974 version Bob states Ready cover everything thats tank engine prop spinner wheels tip weight cowl except wheel pants plane should weigh 30-32 oz will come out near 40 oz Lexingtonian Randy Han cock has GN ready final painting weighs 24 oz wheels wheel pants cowl minus engine tank tip weight prop spinner muffler should come out about 41 oz Bob further states things peo ple missing boat subject wheel pants make too large Mine 5/t thick use Dons wheels Wing The ribs airplanes traced using stock Nobler rib tracing around fat ballpoint pen Dont laugh wing 68 won Nats twice WC says Bob wing D-tuhe just like kit Same 2-in sweep Bob has experi continued page 93 December 1976 25 Above Bob Gieseke red Nobler 74 Nats Top R World Champ plane 75 FAIsnote tip outline Right Front end 74 shipmuffler air exhaust plumbing muffler pressure Below Randy Hancocks Gieseke Nobler Werwage Ares tips rudder fluencenote gear placement custom canopy photos Wynn Paul CL Aerobatics/Paul continued page 25 mented wing spans 50 53 excluding 48-in span 1976 ship has seen competition writing 74 version has span 5025 one-in unequal panels Bellcrank location same Nobler plans root tip chords 10 8 just about same kit Bob uses adjustable leadouts individually adjustable leadout placement critical building 74 wing fully sheeted using 3/32-in wood spar built 1/16-in stock quarter-grain super-light balsa Generally speaking wing tips slightly squared off shown pic tures tips usually solid blocks have hollowed out Bob gener ally uses about ounce tip weight make yours adjustable Foam Gieseke Nobler wings avail able Control Specialties Company 205 Wood Ave P 0 Box 268 Middle sex NJ 08846 Foam Nobler wings available CSC Arnold Stott Mankato Models 628 West 6th St Mankato MN 56001 chief difference between foam models CSC Gieseke Nobler wing slightly thicker stock Nobler wing Flaps factor Bob has changed cut added put tabs taken off tabs fiddled bent used electrical tape gone plumb crazy has tried flap spans full 75% span flaps successful WC plane root chord 2 tip chord s plane fi nally came out 2025 out board 1987 5 inboard Yes inboard flap shorter out board However Bob suggests mod elers use inboard flap 21 outboard flap 2025 Bob stated can carry tip weight less outboard flap. suppose experts will have lot say over one. however works larger inboard flap will cut down disadvantages too much tip weight Everyone planes different. change year another. just play weight flaps till get happy stop. wonder will occur go crazy its time cut flap new wing uses 1/4 balsa stock flaps Flap Horns starting Nobler kit scratch advisable use accessory items Top Flite flap horns kit supplied ones Veco horns Lost Veco horn 63 Took about dozen Vecos Top Flites down magnafluxed Top Flites passed Vecos says Bob Tail Plane stabilizer WC plane has root chord 3 tip chord about 2 span 20 al though Bob has tried spans up 24 elevators 3 root chord 2 tip build stab Bob relates actually start fat ine light balsa cut out center use 3/32 ..... Fat means slightly over /2 thick versions have built less /2 thick stab elevators others area Texas go right Seems build up speed wind know hard get light might well forget build something else Stab elevators have 1/16 sheeting Bobs 1976 version flying pretty good until just before leaving World Championships Minor differences include 48 wing span elevators 325 root chord Bob stated 76 ship really very good going very well thought could go better finally messed up Cut too much off flaps burned up Fox leaving month Holland serious illness family decided get 68-74 plane down go next months installment will take up fuselage force moment arms fin ishing flying other miscellaneous items Wynn Paul 1640 Maywick Dr. Lex. Ky 40504 December1976 93