S Old Timers O Clarence Haught SPECIAL AWARDS us enjoy rec ognition efforts special competitions everyday lives contests featuring spe cial awards added attraction terest builder 77 SAM Champs Las Vegas cluded special awards Electric Power Twin Pusher Rubber Hightime DeLong 30 Such awards usually spe cial differ standard awards form sculptures prized merchandise coveted recipients Special awards properly publicized advance can effective tool encour aging use uncommon design types less powerful engines ones con stantly showing up winners circle example special award Hightime Antique using parasol wing Hightime B cabin Ohlsson 23 know three modelers willing sponsor such special awards next SAM Champs about old-timers Maybe can bring out some new interesting ships airplane-engine combinations Rules Live Now time take pen hand submit favorite rules change proposal SAM Ive struggling weeks come up proposal redefine Antique category goal get Clippers Powerhouses out Antique class True enough own Clipper powered Madewell 49 design can hold its own Cabin Ship Take look few contest reports across country see times Clippers Powerhouses come up winners Antique often same ships lead Cabin AntiQue should Classic old parasols some beautiful low performance stream lined beauties Zaic yearbooks de signs pages Flying Aces question can done Eliminating Cabin Ships Antique isnt answer because ele gant low Clipper standards per formance Cabin ships like Miss Philly Red Zyphers Quakers Weathers West erners fear dont something soon Antique will become one- twodesign event Old-Time Free Flight re vived fun trophy hunting Continued page 93 38 Model Aviation Neat battery installation Al Rasmussens Alertcover snaps place Vaco 19 convested ignition set Datsun points Ship will Class B under new SAM rules Pas-M-Co Crash Guard Switch mounted testing Unit Cuts ignition undesirable atti tudes airplane Author uses test flying removes Details given text Father son tasm Laurence Don Bekins Laurence 11 built Playboy Senior Tyro kit Don holding Zipper prexy SAM 21 Team did well SAM champs Pic Mrs Bekins adding plastic candy box front unit John allows might handier side Cut hole bubble factory epoxy short piece brass tubing Cut match ing hole plastic box epoxy box place Finally cut filling hole top candy box discarded plastic kitchen soap con tainerthe kind spoutis ideal filling unit John uses bubblemaking liquid sold toy shops P-30 Kit Blue Ridge Models appears sticking its corporate neck out intro ducing rather classy correspondingly expensive kit designed specifically event doesnt have official AMA status perhaps reasonable gam ble inasmuch P-30 event seems taking hold event has appeared US Free Flight Championships AMA Nats subject mail-in contest sponsored Model Airplane News appears turning people has some confusion about rules especially regards prop mistakenly stated column earli er elsewhere plastic prop 9-in diameter less legal Thats wrong prop must 9 period 9-inchers market identical ones peddled Peck Polymers Vintage Aero rather heavy prop leads relatively heavy models using standard outdoor type construction smaller much lighter North Pacific type props lend themselves much lighter stick models can put up terrific flight times still air isnt what event originators San Diego Orbi teers mind prop must un modified except addition weight blade bring prop balance enlargement prop-shaft hole accept larger wire Additional rules no dimension may exceed 30 thc rubber weight may exceed 10 grams balsa kit carefully selected weight grain parts accurately cut Fuselage sides light quarter-sawn wood accurately cut out line accurately notched accept 1/16 X 1/8 cross members furnished cut lengthall 40 ribs die-crunched machine-sanded shape light quarter-sawn material absolutely identical Besides grooves actually fit spars What will modern technology bring us next sorts hardware included including snuffer tube chunk Blue Ridges small-diameter DT fuse Instructions building flying model fill four single-spaced full-size pages Plans crystal clear An ample quantity real Japanese tissue supplied proportions typical competi tion free-flight models no reason shouldnt fly extremely well Construction unusually simple such model could well serve young sters second third model adults first price $800 postpaid seems like lot really isnt considering quality work already done kit sold direct mail Blue Ridge Models PO Box 9188 Asheville NC 28805 Blue Ridge has lots other goodies such snazzy Graupner prop spinners used Wakefield models send its price list Rocket Plans Full-size plans Richard Woods Nats-winning Jet Tube avail able NFFS mere buck post paid Send NFFS Plans Publica tions 20267 Northbrook Square Cuper tino CA 95014 Ask complete plans list three-view rather successful model presented column October 1976 issue Bob Meuser 4200 Gregory St Oak land CA 94619 FF Old-Timer/Haught continued page 38 like win eventually gravitate known performers about little help out Send rules change proposal Gene Wallock Free Flight Rules Coordi nator 220 Le Roy Avenue Arcadia CA 91006 January 1978 93 Please send _________ copies new third edition Radio Control Buyers Guide Enclosed $500 copy ordered $425 Guide plus $75 postage handling have idea want try readers send address ap pears end column New Items Interest recently received interesting accessory PAS-M-CO 25260 153rd Southwest Kent WA 98031 Known Crash Guard Switch novel component designed interrupt electrical current electric-powered mod els anytime model assumed ready crash attitude Installed series power source longitudinal and/or lateral axis positions mercury contact breaks connection shuts power event unusual attitudes design ers quick realize Crash Guard Switch would serve equally well old-time ignition systems As indicated accompanying photo installed sample test stand mounting angle selected governs atti tude cut-out function experienced no difficulty starting engine must confess apprehensive about effects inertia deceleration case ambitious hand launch cut-out stopped engine immediately nose pointed down during sim ulated forward motion unable effect failure kind wringing out test stand did install unit ships unwilling put model crash eminent attitude under power have knowledge old-time modeler Crash Guard Switch installed Playboy Senior although has no trouble also has need switch function criticism unit single-strand copper ter minals connectors may subject vibration failures should effec tively alleviated adequately securing connecting wires aircraft structure epoxy glue Crash Guard switch has potential saving new models intend install next ship during initial trimming procedure remove ship safely fly ing Another new item cross bench product known Super RPM produced Lube Specialties Inc 1152 West Ninth St Upland CA 91786 As stated Lube Specialties Super RPM consists neutral carrier twenty percent disper sion teflon beadlets originally formulated aerospace industry has recently become available general use After reading instruction sheet fired up old O&R 60 FRV 12-6 prop using 4-1 fuel mixture gasoline SAE-70 oil tack showed 7500 rpm allowed engine cool squirted 3-4 drops Super RPM directly exhaust port directed flipped engine over coat cylinder piston Two drops per ounce added fuel mixture engine restarted tacked 7800 rpm increase 300 rpm would take extensive testing deter undesirable long range charac teristics develop certainly appears what Jean Andrews claims will Should help old engines get up conversions Incidentally product conducts electricity will short out points Clarence Haught Rt S Box 16 Coeur dAlene ID 83814 Tog ether/J ohnston/Kruse continued page 42 00 Silkspan helps consider ably fill grain Two coats clear will keep fuzz down Silkspan allow equal three-part mixture clear talcum powder thinner brushed sanded off times necessary fill paper certain sand coat well after dries remove dope/talc/thinner mix ture except stays grain nicks crevices After grain filled brush spray two addi tional coats clear seal filler wet everything 400 wet dry youre satisfied point youre ready color coats Heres weight can really added hurry use color sparingly spray thinned least 50% make sure adheres flows well Always spray lighter colors first followed successively darker colors proto typewas bicentennial red white blue although Togethers lines lend selves variation color scheme trim Flying Together proof alignment weight trim considerations pay off plane incorporates enough trim adjustments compensate weather flight conditions Dont afraid make adjustments means adding weight nose tail Bob Lampione Lew McFarland Gene Schaffer other top stunt fliers have written extensively trimming offer some good advice trying break winners circle Any information can gather other sources addi tion own experience practice will help immensely getting Together FF Indoor/Tenny continued page 39 attempts Can microfilm models trained survive poor air will also help improve good air perfor mance Certainly heavy drift extreme conditions such Stan sought out cannot useful instructive seri ous indoor flier However has noted certain kinds model trim seem enable models drift less High dynamic stability does minimize altitude loss light turbulence Starting two points much improvement can make thing sure almost Indoor World Championship recent times has its share poor air 94 Model Aviation NEW FINISHING TOOL CURVED MICROBLADE PROTECTS MODELCOVER LETSYOU CARRY VTRIMIT IN YOUR POCKET irir Special Award High Time DeLong 30 crafted Don Jenkins presented Clarence Bull 15-minute flight Such unique awards nice part Old-Timer
Edition: Model Aviation - 1978/01
Page Numbers: 38, 93, 94
S Old Timers O Clarence Haught SPECIAL AWARDS us enjoy rec ognition efforts special competitions everyday lives contests featuring spe cial awards added attraction terest builder 77 SAM Champs Las Vegas cluded special awards Electric Power Twin Pusher Rubber Hightime DeLong 30 Such awards usually spe cial differ standard awards form sculptures prized merchandise coveted recipients Special awards properly publicized advance can effective tool encour aging use uncommon design types less powerful engines ones con stantly showing up winners circle example special award Hightime Antique using parasol wing Hightime B cabin Ohlsson 23 know three modelers willing sponsor such special awards next SAM Champs about old-timers Maybe can bring out some new interesting ships airplane-engine combinations Rules Live Now time take pen hand submit favorite rules change proposal SAM Ive struggling weeks come up proposal redefine Antique category goal get Clippers Powerhouses out Antique class True enough own Clipper powered Madewell 49 design can hold its own Cabin Ship Take look few contest reports across country see times Clippers Powerhouses come up winners Antique often same ships lead Cabin AntiQue should Classic old parasols some beautiful low performance stream lined beauties Zaic yearbooks de signs pages Flying Aces question can done Eliminating Cabin Ships Antique isnt answer because ele gant low Clipper standards per formance Cabin ships like Miss Philly Red Zyphers Quakers Weathers West erners fear dont something soon Antique will become one- twodesign event Old-Time Free Flight re vived fun trophy hunting Continued page 93 38 Model Aviation Neat battery installation Al Rasmussens Alertcover snaps place Vaco 19 convested ignition set Datsun points Ship will Class B under new SAM rules Pas-M-Co Crash Guard Switch mounted testing Unit Cuts ignition undesirable atti tudes airplane Author uses test flying removes Details given text Father son tasm Laurence Don Bekins Laurence 11 built Playboy Senior Tyro kit Don holding Zipper prexy SAM 21 Team did well SAM champs Pic Mrs Bekins adding plastic candy box front unit John allows might handier side Cut hole bubble factory epoxy short piece brass tubing Cut match ing hole plastic box epoxy box place Finally cut filling hole top candy box discarded plastic kitchen soap con tainerthe kind spoutis ideal filling unit John uses bubblemaking liquid sold toy shops P-30 Kit Blue Ridge Models appears sticking its corporate neck out intro ducing rather classy correspondingly expensive kit designed specifically event doesnt have official AMA status perhaps reasonable gam ble inasmuch P-30 event seems taking hold event has appeared US Free Flight Championships AMA Nats subject mail-in contest sponsored Model Airplane News appears turning people has some confusion about rules especially regards prop mistakenly stated column earli er elsewhere plastic prop 9-in diameter less legal Thats wrong prop must 9 period 9-inchers market identical ones peddled Peck Polymers Vintage Aero rather heavy prop leads relatively heavy models using standard outdoor type construction smaller much lighter North Pacific type props lend themselves much lighter stick models can put up terrific flight times still air isnt what event originators San Diego Orbi teers mind prop must un modified except addition weight blade bring prop balance enlargement prop-shaft hole accept larger wire Additional rules no dimension may exceed 30 thc rubber weight may exceed 10 grams balsa kit carefully selected weight grain parts accurately cut Fuselage sides light quarter-sawn wood accurately cut out line accurately notched accept 1/16 X 1/8 cross members furnished cut lengthall 40 ribs die-crunched machine-sanded shape light quarter-sawn material absolutely identical Besides grooves actually fit spars What will modern technology bring us next sorts hardware included including snuffer tube chunk Blue Ridges small-diameter DT fuse Instructions building flying model fill four single-spaced full-size pages Plans crystal clear An ample quantity real Japanese tissue supplied proportions typical competi tion free-flight models no reason shouldnt fly extremely well Construction unusually simple such model could well serve young sters second third model adults first price $800 postpaid seems like lot really isnt considering quality work already done kit sold direct mail Blue Ridge Models PO Box 9188 Asheville NC 28805 Blue Ridge has lots other goodies such snazzy Graupner prop spinners used Wakefield models send its price list Rocket Plans Full-size plans Richard Woods Nats-winning Jet Tube avail able NFFS mere buck post paid Send NFFS Plans Publica tions 20267 Northbrook Square Cuper tino CA 95014 Ask complete plans list three-view rather successful model presented column October 1976 issue Bob Meuser 4200 Gregory St Oak land CA 94619 FF Old-Timer/Haught continued page 38 like win eventually gravitate known performers about little help out Send rules change proposal Gene Wallock Free Flight Rules Coordi nator 220 Le Roy Avenue Arcadia CA 91006 January 1978 93 Please send _________ copies new third edition Radio Control Buyers Guide Enclosed $500 copy ordered $425 Guide plus $75 postage handling have idea want try readers send address ap pears end column New Items Interest recently received interesting accessory PAS-M-CO 25260 153rd Southwest Kent WA 98031 Known Crash Guard Switch novel component designed interrupt electrical current electric-powered mod els anytime model assumed ready crash attitude Installed series power source longitudinal and/or lateral axis positions mercury contact breaks connection shuts power event unusual attitudes design ers quick realize Crash Guard Switch would serve equally well old-time ignition systems As indicated accompanying photo installed sample test stand mounting angle selected governs atti tude cut-out function experienced no difficulty starting engine must confess apprehensive about effects inertia deceleration case ambitious hand launch cut-out stopped engine immediately nose pointed down during sim ulated forward motion unable effect failure kind wringing out test stand did install unit ships unwilling put model crash eminent attitude under power have knowledge old-time modeler Crash Guard Switch installed Playboy Senior although has no trouble also has need switch function criticism unit single-strand copper ter minals connectors may subject vibration failures should effec tively alleviated adequately securing connecting wires aircraft structure epoxy glue Crash Guard switch has potential saving new models intend install next ship during initial trimming procedure remove ship safely fly ing Another new item cross bench product known Super RPM produced Lube Specialties Inc 1152 West Ninth St Upland CA 91786 As stated Lube Specialties Super RPM consists neutral carrier twenty percent disper sion teflon beadlets originally formulated aerospace industry has recently become available general use After reading instruction sheet fired up old O&R 60 FRV 12-6 prop using 4-1 fuel mixture gasoline SAE-70 oil tack showed 7500 rpm allowed engine cool squirted 3-4 drops Super RPM directly exhaust port directed flipped engine over coat cylinder piston Two drops per ounce added fuel mixture engine restarted tacked 7800 rpm increase 300 rpm would take extensive testing deter undesirable long range charac teristics develop certainly appears what Jean Andrews claims will Should help old engines get up conversions Incidentally product conducts electricity will short out points Clarence Haught Rt S Box 16 Coeur dAlene ID 83814 Tog ether/J ohnston/Kruse continued page 42 00 Silkspan helps consider ably fill grain Two coats clear will keep fuzz down Silkspan allow equal three-part mixture clear talcum powder thinner brushed sanded off times necessary fill paper certain sand coat well after dries remove dope/talc/thinner mix ture except stays grain nicks crevices After grain filled brush spray two addi tional coats clear seal filler wet everything 400 wet dry youre satisfied point youre ready color coats Heres weight can really added hurry use color sparingly spray thinned least 50% make sure adheres flows well Always spray lighter colors first followed successively darker colors proto typewas bicentennial red white blue although Togethers lines lend selves variation color scheme trim Flying Together proof alignment weight trim considerations pay off plane incorporates enough trim adjustments compensate weather flight conditions Dont afraid make adjustments means adding weight nose tail Bob Lampione Lew McFarland Gene Schaffer other top stunt fliers have written extensively trimming offer some good advice trying break winners circle Any information can gather other sources addi tion own experience practice will help immensely getting Together FF Indoor/Tenny continued page 39 attempts Can microfilm models trained survive poor air will also help improve good air perfor mance Certainly heavy drift extreme conditions such Stan sought out cannot useful instructive seri ous indoor flier However has noted certain kinds model trim seem enable models drift less High dynamic stability does minimize altitude loss light turbulence Starting two points much improvement can make thing sure almost Indoor World Championship recent times has its share poor air 94 Model Aviation NEW FINISHING TOOL CURVED MICROBLADE PROTECTS MODELCOVER LETSYOU CARRY VTRIMIT IN YOUR POCKET irir Special Award High Time DeLong 30 crafted Don Jenkins presented Clarence Bull 15-minute flight Such unique awards nice part Old-Timer
Edition: Model Aviation - 1978/01
Page Numbers: 38, 93, 94
S Old Timers O Clarence Haught SPECIAL AWARDS us enjoy rec ognition efforts special competitions everyday lives contests featuring spe cial awards added attraction terest builder 77 SAM Champs Las Vegas cluded special awards Electric Power Twin Pusher Rubber Hightime DeLong 30 Such awards usually spe cial differ standard awards form sculptures prized merchandise coveted recipients Special awards properly publicized advance can effective tool encour aging use uncommon design types less powerful engines ones con stantly showing up winners circle example special award Hightime Antique using parasol wing Hightime B cabin Ohlsson 23 know three modelers willing sponsor such special awards next SAM Champs about old-timers Maybe can bring out some new interesting ships airplane-engine combinations Rules Live Now time take pen hand submit favorite rules change proposal SAM Ive struggling weeks come up proposal redefine Antique category goal get Clippers Powerhouses out Antique class True enough own Clipper powered Madewell 49 design can hold its own Cabin Ship Take look few contest reports across country see times Clippers Powerhouses come up winners Antique often same ships lead Cabin AntiQue should Classic old parasols some beautiful low performance stream lined beauties Zaic yearbooks de signs pages Flying Aces question can done Eliminating Cabin Ships Antique isnt answer because ele gant low Clipper standards per formance Cabin ships like Miss Philly Red Zyphers Quakers Weathers West erners fear dont something soon Antique will become one- twodesign event Old-Time Free Flight re vived fun trophy hunting Continued page 93 38 Model Aviation Neat battery installation Al Rasmussens Alertcover snaps place Vaco 19 convested ignition set Datsun points Ship will Class B under new SAM rules Pas-M-Co Crash Guard Switch mounted testing Unit Cuts ignition undesirable atti tudes airplane Author uses test flying removes Details given text Father son tasm Laurence Don Bekins Laurence 11 built Playboy Senior Tyro kit Don holding Zipper prexy SAM 21 Team did well SAM champs Pic Mrs Bekins adding plastic candy box front unit John allows might handier side Cut hole bubble factory epoxy short piece brass tubing Cut match ing hole plastic box epoxy box place Finally cut filling hole top candy box discarded plastic kitchen soap con tainerthe kind spoutis ideal filling unit John uses bubblemaking liquid sold toy shops P-30 Kit Blue Ridge Models appears sticking its corporate neck out intro ducing rather classy correspondingly expensive kit designed specifically event doesnt have official AMA status perhaps reasonable gam ble inasmuch P-30 event seems taking hold event has appeared US Free Flight Championships AMA Nats subject mail-in contest sponsored Model Airplane News appears turning people has some confusion about rules especially regards prop mistakenly stated column earli er elsewhere plastic prop 9-in diameter less legal Thats wrong prop must 9 period 9-inchers market identical ones peddled Peck Polymers Vintage Aero rather heavy prop leads relatively heavy models using standard outdoor type construction smaller much lighter North Pacific type props lend themselves much lighter stick models can put up terrific flight times still air isnt what event originators San Diego Orbi teers mind prop must un modified except addition weight blade bring prop balance enlargement prop-shaft hole accept larger wire Additional rules no dimension may exceed 30 thc rubber weight may exceed 10 grams balsa kit carefully selected weight grain parts accurately cut Fuselage sides light quarter-sawn wood accurately cut out line accurately notched accept 1/16 X 1/8 cross members furnished cut lengthall 40 ribs die-crunched machine-sanded shape light quarter-sawn material absolutely identical Besides grooves actually fit spars What will modern technology bring us next sorts hardware included including snuffer tube chunk Blue Ridges small-diameter DT fuse Instructions building flying model fill four single-spaced full-size pages Plans crystal clear An ample quantity real Japanese tissue supplied proportions typical competi tion free-flight models no reason shouldnt fly extremely well Construction unusually simple such model could well serve young sters second third model adults first price $800 postpaid seems like lot really isnt considering quality work already done kit sold direct mail Blue Ridge Models PO Box 9188 Asheville NC 28805 Blue Ridge has lots other goodies such snazzy Graupner prop spinners used Wakefield models send its price list Rocket Plans Full-size plans Richard Woods Nats-winning Jet Tube avail able NFFS mere buck post paid Send NFFS Plans Publica tions 20267 Northbrook Square Cuper tino CA 95014 Ask complete plans list three-view rather successful model presented column October 1976 issue Bob Meuser 4200 Gregory St Oak land CA 94619 FF Old-Timer/Haught continued page 38 like win eventually gravitate known performers about little help out Send rules change proposal Gene Wallock Free Flight Rules Coordi nator 220 Le Roy Avenue Arcadia CA 91006 January 1978 93 Please send _________ copies new third edition Radio Control Buyers Guide Enclosed $500 copy ordered $425 Guide plus $75 postage handling have idea want try readers send address ap pears end column New Items Interest recently received interesting accessory PAS-M-CO 25260 153rd Southwest Kent WA 98031 Known Crash Guard Switch novel component designed interrupt electrical current electric-powered mod els anytime model assumed ready crash attitude Installed series power source longitudinal and/or lateral axis positions mercury contact breaks connection shuts power event unusual attitudes design ers quick realize Crash Guard Switch would serve equally well old-time ignition systems As indicated accompanying photo installed sample test stand mounting angle selected governs atti tude cut-out function experienced no difficulty starting engine must confess apprehensive about effects inertia deceleration case ambitious hand launch cut-out stopped engine immediately nose pointed down during sim ulated forward motion unable effect failure kind wringing out test stand did install unit ships unwilling put model crash eminent attitude under power have knowledge old-time modeler Crash Guard Switch installed Playboy Senior although has no trouble also has need switch function criticism unit single-strand copper ter minals connectors may subject vibration failures should effec tively alleviated adequately securing connecting wires aircraft structure epoxy glue Crash Guard switch has potential saving new models intend install next ship during initial trimming procedure remove ship safely fly ing Another new item cross bench product known Super RPM produced Lube Specialties Inc 1152 West Ninth St Upland CA 91786 As stated Lube Specialties Super RPM consists neutral carrier twenty percent disper sion teflon beadlets originally formulated aerospace industry has recently become available general use After reading instruction sheet fired up old O&R 60 FRV 12-6 prop using 4-1 fuel mixture gasoline SAE-70 oil tack showed 7500 rpm allowed engine cool squirted 3-4 drops Super RPM directly exhaust port directed flipped engine over coat cylinder piston Two drops per ounce added fuel mixture engine restarted tacked 7800 rpm increase 300 rpm would take extensive testing deter undesirable long range charac teristics develop certainly appears what Jean Andrews claims will Should help old engines get up conversions Incidentally product conducts electricity will short out points Clarence Haught Rt S Box 16 Coeur dAlene ID 83814 Tog ether/J ohnston/Kruse continued page 42 00 Silkspan helps consider ably fill grain Two coats clear will keep fuzz down Silkspan allow equal three-part mixture clear talcum powder thinner brushed sanded off times necessary fill paper certain sand coat well after dries remove dope/talc/thinner mix ture except stays grain nicks crevices After grain filled brush spray two addi tional coats clear seal filler wet everything 400 wet dry youre satisfied point youre ready color coats Heres weight can really added hurry use color sparingly spray thinned least 50% make sure adheres flows well Always spray lighter colors first followed successively darker colors proto typewas bicentennial red white blue although Togethers lines lend selves variation color scheme trim Flying Together proof alignment weight trim considerations pay off plane incorporates enough trim adjustments compensate weather flight conditions Dont afraid make adjustments means adding weight nose tail Bob Lampione Lew McFarland Gene Schaffer other top stunt fliers have written extensively trimming offer some good advice trying break winners circle Any information can gather other sources addi tion own experience practice will help immensely getting Together FF Indoor/Tenny continued page 39 attempts Can microfilm models trained survive poor air will also help improve good air perfor mance Certainly heavy drift extreme conditions such Stan sought out cannot useful instructive seri ous indoor flier However has noted certain kinds model trim seem enable models drift less High dynamic stability does minimize altitude loss light turbulence Starting two points much improvement can make thing sure almost Indoor World Championship recent times has its share poor air 94 Model Aviation NEW FINISHING TOOL CURVED MICROBLADE PROTECTS MODELCOVER LETSYOU CARRY VTRIMIT IN YOUR POCKET irir Special Award High Time DeLong 30 crafted Don Jenkins presented Clarence Bull 15-minute flight Such unique awards nice part Old-Timer