Radio Contml Electrics Bob Kopski LAST month mentioned regular ly-featured Electric writing knew What didnt know time Model Airplane News planning add Electric column Bob Sliff will author dont know will begin what format will can watch Attaboys both MAN Bob Two months ago mentioned Leisure would kitting Wasp acro batic model turns out have doing just havent advertised first kit run sold out quickly way As Ive said before design Jim Zaremb ski excellent flier also available plan RCM Astro has two new ones works Two-Meter glider OldTimer Tom Coyne Electric Aeronautics Box 602 Flint MI 48501 tells new Humming Bird 05-size sport acrobatic kit will available later year Theres no question mind Electric needs good kitshistoric lack area has major holdup progress successful Electric-pow ered flying hope above work out well help fill gap like crater Second Annual Boeing Hawks Elec tric Fly held June 30th year rain-out last years CD Bernard Cawley 210 37th St SE #43 Auburn Wash 98002 reports eight participants bad new activity least two planes large assortment Electrics including powered Sailplane Old-Timers sport planes Scale Pattern Pylon event format open fly-in except speed runs Prize sup port came Hawks Astro Lei sure SR Batteries given variety judged categories fun fly nature such Most Impressive Longest Flight Most Aerobatic Highest Speed Largest Smallest etc same sort thing annual KRC Electric Fly works very well As yet no established AMA Electric Categories Classes etc folks quite happy fun fly approach time Mitch Poling Model Builder magazines Electric columnist attendance spent much time helping questions taking pictures affair MB dont know what issue presentation scheduled can watch can also watch wait next years event column will happy announce info becomes available meantime con gratulations Boeing Hawks Contest Director Bernard Cawley assured way activity can go grow mall frequently tells story writer Electric flier area club Sometimes get feeling loners could unite area would largest club world Anyway know feeling same true nearly decade ago What found can Electric flier other wise active group long long time However soon second person tries successful growth much rapid Its though two maybe three critical mass Once few fliers display routine success fun Electric likely slowly surely join ranks Have out happen group Occasionally KRC privileged have visitor area drop field happens several times year often visitor just wants see some successful Electrics because guy back home tried could get up about 50 feet two minutes What wind up after visit strong conviction Electric really does workvery wellnothing like near powered-sink exper ience may have seen story continues soon will see very wide range Electric ex perience viewpoint preference can thing characterizes local fliers no hot-shot perform ersa relative description Specifically stories weve read about some 50 Model Aviation Fatherson team Doug Bill Earily prepare first flight Spectra Soar Model waa built poster board plans before professional ones available Power Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells 8-4 Top Plite nylon prop Radio Airtronics Jack Leber modified kit Wasphe prefers single fins twIns Moderate power system Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells 7-6 nylon prop provides flights exceeding six minutes dura tion Cannon Micro RC system helps keep weight low Plane doas docile aerobatics motor/battery/model combination flies out sight 60 secondsstraight up found locally Rather local guys quite few quite content fly rather long motor runs slowly achieving very high altitudes wish always achieving comfortably long flights particularly glider OT sport designs now keep mind terms relative too very kind flying very much impresses less-successful visitors day visitor South ern California Tom Tom flies several Electrics back home him Tom didnt specifically state think flying flying condi tions left him little cold same kind flying never ceases dazzle non-believers think relatively ho hum Tom As got matter Toms clear impression air better hes very long Electric glider OT flights routine because lift nearly always present relative ly speaking such just wasnt case southeastern Pennsylvania Furthermore Continued page 140 Two Spectras Phoebe Sylvia L holds dads Stunt version right Joe Bergin Sport version youre frIend designer member same club get build latest designs before appear Model Aviation Charles Sylvias plane uses Astro 075 Super Ferritesight 900 mAh cells 7-4 Kavan prop has Jomar SC-2 speed controller Radio gear Ace Silver Seven receiver 100 mAh flight pack two micro servos Flying weight 37 oz Joes plane uses Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells Futaba RC small servos Photo taken before models first very successful flight NT RODUCING THE FINGER SAVER NEEDLE VALVE TOOL AVOID HAND & FINGER CUTS & BRUISES FROM PROPS -Th PRICE $695 SHIPPING INCLUDED Keeps fingers away props Easy use Self-centering push turn Reaches hard get needle valves Works super fully cowled engines Fits 049 up including Superigre needles Works angles 30 deg metal construction plastic handle Covers 85% engines market today TO ORDER D & L TOOL SALES PO Box 16147 Cincinnati Ohio 4521 6 Sorry NO Visa M/C COOn ta mini Laser 200 Kit Foam Wings Laser 200 Kit Pre Built Wings Pre Built Wing md Tube Foam Cores Tube & Inserts Aluminum Spar T-6 6061 Phenolic Tubes pair Formed Landing Gear T-6 6061 Epoxyglass Cowl Epoxyglass Wheelpants Canopy Decals Plans Tartan Twin Engine Hub Adaptor Kit Webra Bully Engine Hub Adaptor Kit Giant Ia Scale New Four Laser Turn Around Pattern Stand Off Scale Fun Fly Events 1/4 Scaje Laser 200 Products $35000 17500 B00 850 2250 3000 1850 800 650 2250 1650 2650 S 15900 22900 10000 2250 725 650 1850 2250 1450 650 450 2250 Laser 200s built-up bones hinged ready cover available special order accompanied deposit /3 scale $65000 $5000 charge wood crate must sent motor freight e $35000 bones plus freight have Magnalite Carbon Fiber Parts competition flyer Direct Sales Only PRECISION BUILT MODELS & KITS 1818 6th Ave W Bradenton FL 33505 B 131 747-7006 November 1984 51 finish etc Flying mentioned earlier would qualify model award its particular category flying would start after restaurants opened breakfast flying would end before owls flocked nightly briefings However particular group wanted night-fly would easy arrange along awards nocturnal nuttiness Throw on-the-field barbeque banquet some prizes awardsboth dubious ones seriousand could biggest Show-and-Tell Homecoming Fun-Fly side Mars Imagine Scale models flying wings sleek F3B ships along handlaunch types glider tows type glider imaginable air same event Interested drop postcard stating briefly what interested Also include category mentioned Remember maxing-out fun would number priority Cross-country news Central Ontario Soaring Society ran event July got taste same type weather plagued other Midwest contests reported last month After 20-mile-per-hour winds kept everyone near winches first day breezes eased up 10 15 mph day two low overcast kept flights short Mark Wencel Detroit report ed 12 teams entered COGGs own John McMillan clicked off 33 miles good enough first place West Coast Larry Pettyjohn reported San Francisco Valley Silent flyers annual Desert Dash down wind race Teamed up Jerry Krain ock Collin DiMaio Derik Meacham Pettyjoha Mike Bame Gary Ittner flew latters Tai-Tai After dust settled flight points added Krainocks effort 67 mile runthe course lengthin 1458 minutes enough boost team Collins Wild Wind first place Lnst-minute briefs Chuck Beeman California latest achieve LSF/level V Thats number 34 select group over 5300 members Congratulations LSF President Warren Plohr says mail will no longer forwarded old Chicago mailing address its year since change Suggestion have level form old address change address now way its time send form youll have correct address League Silent Flight PO Box 647 Munde lein IL 60060 Remember Jerry Mrlik Astro Jeff design earned few contest wins around country over last nearly dozen years along LSF/level V few fliers thought design some fine engineering features model just might mark craftsman take look August 1984 issue Road Track page 110 see what did quarter-scale Ferrari meantime good lift Dan Pruss 131 E Pennington Ln Plainfield IL 60544 RO ElectricslKopski Continued page 51 typical Electric flier mind preferred use very large amounts power short motor runs just get very-high-climb part flight over concentrate gliding No four- five-minute motor run/climbs out see Toms experience reference preference quite dif ferent other local fliers Following Toms visit pondered matters length decided try experiment Throughout MAs recent Electric series took position successful Electrics total average flight time neutral air deter mined battery assuming appro priate motor/model/battery combina tion wanted try kind flying Tom described same time put further test battery/flight-time argument Limited results date fully support position expanded p.- log Twelve page-Fully lIIutrated complete details on. MUFFLERS ENGINE MOUNTS ENGINE TESTING EQUIP SCALE ACCESSORIES SMOKE KITS ETC Sand $100 Catalog details will appear next column nbove lends murky waters stagnated Electric rules classes situation see cause promoting Electric making easy fun economical everyone desires successful Electric eventually test accomplishments against others ie compete other reasons motivat ed experiment described above have reveal some strong feelings about continuing rules battle Before continuing let make clear what follows feeling hap pens also someone modeling industry its coincidental am party raging Electric bat tle Mine personal preference based lots Electric Electric Fly experi ence No has influenced strong ly object regulation thnt would dis conrnge use existing equipment least like balance decade An example such requirement would event limited motor run clearly would encourage vely high-power-spending systemsmotors batteries techniques auto matically become costly An other example would events requiring some specific number cells used because variety batteries numbers cells use legislating against some making easy affected Since column permit suggest solution rules classes dilemma favor use motor battery run-time other words favor initial allowance power system utilization believe restrictions motors bat teries cell count model weights like effect reduces contestant being permitted charge battery choice wishes using available energy battery can deliver its fill rubber motor will accept ly winds winch line long Its up modeler make 140 Model Aviation best use what has battery number cells effect useful other number appropriate plane plane size weight necessar ily increase power system make up far can see thing changes size costnot per formance kinda evens out Fur thermore everybody know flies way empties tank time anyway course some categorization some thing needed just like Mens Ladies facilities Simple enoughjust have Electric model power-system categoriesthe obvious ones being simply Glider OT Scale Aerobatic Pylon what ever immediate effect of above existing product kit working model published designany thingis eligible competitionand now Another immediate benefit ap proach ongoing industry bick ering would tone down modeldom would get national-level AMA rules Another benefit immediate emphasis would shift good building flying practices rather does guy have legal motor battery whatever Another participants would find intimate knowledge batteries care feeding would very much advantage lat ter much problemthe RC car guys time Its unlike tak ing good care rubber motor Another advantage initial rule cooling off period would give us na tionwide experience basis future Electric class descriptions rules would developa solid basisrather charged emotion details various model categories need worked out should relatively easy named has existing non-Electric coun terpart course expect will questions challenges to Some come mind 1 Its OK Glider OT fly Aerobatic Gooduse available energy battery choice fill good flying technique much pattern whatever well canyou lose points imprecision incompleteness 2 Its OK Gliders OT Aero batic fly Pylon Gooduse available energy fly laps fast possibleincom plete laps cost points longer times something like 3 Yeh other guy has big shiny cobalt 37 cells have grass-shears motor five cells doesnt much matter has huge heavy plane stuff bigger necessarily better general relative proportions total model weight contributed motor battery everything else relatively constant maintain end large small power systems planes will fare about even-up no big differences 4 arent motors really different Sure some differences Some have better brushes bearings Cobalts can handle power smaller light er case size Differences efficiency exist no really big dif ferences Remember battery/flighttime experiment mentioned earlier mostly comes down total energy available wisely skillfully pilot uses little luck thrown too 5 What about hot-shot can affordand willing abusemotors batteries destruction pur pose winning Initially such presence will very limited non-existent will stay way long time say simply refer earlier paragraph regarding loners final point suppliers Elec tric field have produce something makes good business sense better prod ucts lower prices deal reason able number motor sizes battery cells charger types Right now plenty useful systems market wide variety power levels price ranges Until everything settles out until some ultimate position classes etc arrived proposal Dermits use everything past present production Sportingbut mostly competitiveuse varied resources will surely expose users preferences will take few years So have itmore varied views Electric Power performancedif ferent strokes wereand differences can result less same flying results turn helps justify writers suggestion initial set Electric-powered model categoriesnot power-system rules thanks Tom getting off kick Now know stand what position Happy Landings Bob Kopski 25 West End Dr Lans dale PA 19446 ANEWSPACESAVING FUEL CONTAINER PtoiuTourlox 2x7 SjShiglo91/8 Tough Rigid Polyothylono Includes Tubing plus $1 pootugo North Products PO Box 18419 Cleveland Heights OH 44118 SAILPLANE LAUNCH EQUIPMENT FOR EVERY FIELD S PORTWINCH $225 QA * inc1sd Q9 * $350Q9 * * pluu shipping source QUIET FLIGHT supplies hi-starts electric motors& reducers batteriesparaehutestow line drums accessories braided nylon line selected kitsthe PROPHET sailplane kit VISA MASTERCARD CORPORATION Pm 4 SYSTEMS ONE WOOD LANEMALVERNPA19355 215644-06926772 Wrile call information November1984 141 P OWR VOW buttery inc1ud POW P200 M RETRIEVER $250 QA *
Edition: Model Aviation - 1984/11
Page Numbers: 50, 51, 140, 141
Radio Contml Electrics Bob Kopski LAST month mentioned regular ly-featured Electric writing knew What didnt know time Model Airplane News planning add Electric column Bob Sliff will author dont know will begin what format will can watch Attaboys both MAN Bob Two months ago mentioned Leisure would kitting Wasp acro batic model turns out have doing just havent advertised first kit run sold out quickly way As Ive said before design Jim Zaremb ski excellent flier also available plan RCM Astro has two new ones works Two-Meter glider OldTimer Tom Coyne Electric Aeronautics Box 602 Flint MI 48501 tells new Humming Bird 05-size sport acrobatic kit will available later year Theres no question mind Electric needs good kitshistoric lack area has major holdup progress successful Electric-pow ered flying hope above work out well help fill gap like crater Second Annual Boeing Hawks Elec tric Fly held June 30th year rain-out last years CD Bernard Cawley 210 37th St SE #43 Auburn Wash 98002 reports eight participants bad new activity least two planes large assortment Electrics including powered Sailplane Old-Timers sport planes Scale Pattern Pylon event format open fly-in except speed runs Prize sup port came Hawks Astro Lei sure SR Batteries given variety judged categories fun fly nature such Most Impressive Longest Flight Most Aerobatic Highest Speed Largest Smallest etc same sort thing annual KRC Electric Fly works very well As yet no established AMA Electric Categories Classes etc folks quite happy fun fly approach time Mitch Poling Model Builder magazines Electric columnist attendance spent much time helping questions taking pictures affair MB dont know what issue presentation scheduled can watch can also watch wait next years event column will happy announce info becomes available meantime con gratulations Boeing Hawks Contest Director Bernard Cawley assured way activity can go grow mall frequently tells story writer Electric flier area club Sometimes get feeling loners could unite area would largest club world Anyway know feeling same true nearly decade ago What found can Electric flier other wise active group long long time However soon second person tries successful growth much rapid Its though two maybe three critical mass Once few fliers display routine success fun Electric likely slowly surely join ranks Have out happen group Occasionally KRC privileged have visitor area drop field happens several times year often visitor just wants see some successful Electrics because guy back home tried could get up about 50 feet two minutes What wind up after visit strong conviction Electric really does workvery wellnothing like near powered-sink exper ience may have seen story continues soon will see very wide range Electric ex perience viewpoint preference can thing characterizes local fliers no hot-shot perform ersa relative description Specifically stories weve read about some 50 Model Aviation Fatherson team Doug Bill Earily prepare first flight Spectra Soar Model waa built poster board plans before professional ones available Power Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells 8-4 Top Plite nylon prop Radio Airtronics Jack Leber modified kit Wasphe prefers single fins twIns Moderate power system Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells 7-6 nylon prop provides flights exceeding six minutes dura tion Cannon Micro RC system helps keep weight low Plane doas docile aerobatics motor/battery/model combination flies out sight 60 secondsstraight up found locally Rather local guys quite few quite content fly rather long motor runs slowly achieving very high altitudes wish always achieving comfortably long flights particularly glider OT sport designs now keep mind terms relative too very kind flying very much impresses less-successful visitors day visitor South ern California Tom Tom flies several Electrics back home him Tom didnt specifically state think flying flying condi tions left him little cold same kind flying never ceases dazzle non-believers think relatively ho hum Tom As got matter Toms clear impression air better hes very long Electric glider OT flights routine because lift nearly always present relative ly speaking such just wasnt case southeastern Pennsylvania Furthermore Continued page 140 Two Spectras Phoebe Sylvia L holds dads Stunt version right Joe Bergin Sport version youre frIend designer member same club get build latest designs before appear Model Aviation Charles Sylvias plane uses Astro 075 Super Ferritesight 900 mAh cells 7-4 Kavan prop has Jomar SC-2 speed controller Radio gear Ace Silver Seven receiver 100 mAh flight pack two micro servos Flying weight 37 oz Joes plane uses Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells Futaba RC small servos Photo taken before models first very successful flight NT RODUCING THE FINGER SAVER NEEDLE VALVE TOOL AVOID HAND & FINGER CUTS & BRUISES FROM PROPS -Th PRICE $695 SHIPPING INCLUDED Keeps fingers away props Easy use Self-centering push turn Reaches hard get needle valves Works super fully cowled engines Fits 049 up including Superigre needles Works angles 30 deg metal construction plastic handle Covers 85% engines market today TO ORDER D & L TOOL SALES PO Box 16147 Cincinnati Ohio 4521 6 Sorry NO Visa M/C COOn ta mini Laser 200 Kit Foam Wings Laser 200 Kit Pre Built Wings Pre Built Wing md Tube Foam Cores Tube & Inserts Aluminum Spar T-6 6061 Phenolic Tubes pair Formed Landing Gear T-6 6061 Epoxyglass Cowl Epoxyglass Wheelpants Canopy Decals Plans Tartan Twin Engine Hub Adaptor Kit Webra Bully Engine Hub Adaptor Kit Giant Ia Scale New Four Laser Turn Around Pattern Stand Off Scale Fun Fly Events 1/4 Scaje Laser 200 Products $35000 17500 B00 850 2250 3000 1850 800 650 2250 1650 2650 S 15900 22900 10000 2250 725 650 1850 2250 1450 650 450 2250 Laser 200s built-up bones hinged ready cover available special order accompanied deposit /3 scale $65000 $5000 charge wood crate must sent motor freight e $35000 bones plus freight have Magnalite Carbon Fiber Parts competition flyer Direct Sales Only PRECISION BUILT MODELS & KITS 1818 6th Ave W Bradenton FL 33505 B 131 747-7006 November 1984 51 finish etc Flying mentioned earlier would qualify model award its particular category flying would start after restaurants opened breakfast flying would end before owls flocked nightly briefings However particular group wanted night-fly would easy arrange along awards nocturnal nuttiness Throw on-the-field barbeque banquet some prizes awardsboth dubious ones seriousand could biggest Show-and-Tell Homecoming Fun-Fly side Mars Imagine Scale models flying wings sleek F3B ships along handlaunch types glider tows type glider imaginable air same event Interested drop postcard stating briefly what interested Also include category mentioned Remember maxing-out fun would number priority Cross-country news Central Ontario Soaring Society ran event July got taste same type weather plagued other Midwest contests reported last month After 20-mile-per-hour winds kept everyone near winches first day breezes eased up 10 15 mph day two low overcast kept flights short Mark Wencel Detroit report ed 12 teams entered COGGs own John McMillan clicked off 33 miles good enough first place West Coast Larry Pettyjohn reported San Francisco Valley Silent flyers annual Desert Dash down wind race Teamed up Jerry Krain ock Collin DiMaio Derik Meacham Pettyjoha Mike Bame Gary Ittner flew latters Tai-Tai After dust settled flight points added Krainocks effort 67 mile runthe course lengthin 1458 minutes enough boost team Collins Wild Wind first place Lnst-minute briefs Chuck Beeman California latest achieve LSF/level V Thats number 34 select group over 5300 members Congratulations LSF President Warren Plohr says mail will no longer forwarded old Chicago mailing address its year since change Suggestion have level form old address change address now way its time send form youll have correct address League Silent Flight PO Box 647 Munde lein IL 60060 Remember Jerry Mrlik Astro Jeff design earned few contest wins around country over last nearly dozen years along LSF/level V few fliers thought design some fine engineering features model just might mark craftsman take look August 1984 issue Road Track page 110 see what did quarter-scale Ferrari meantime good lift Dan Pruss 131 E Pennington Ln Plainfield IL 60544 RO ElectricslKopski Continued page 51 typical Electric flier mind preferred use very large amounts power short motor runs just get very-high-climb part flight over concentrate gliding No four- five-minute motor run/climbs out see Toms experience reference preference quite dif ferent other local fliers Following Toms visit pondered matters length decided try experiment Throughout MAs recent Electric series took position successful Electrics total average flight time neutral air deter mined battery assuming appro priate motor/model/battery combina tion wanted try kind flying Tom described same time put further test battery/flight-time argument Limited results date fully support position expanded p.- log Twelve page-Fully lIIutrated complete details on. MUFFLERS ENGINE MOUNTS ENGINE TESTING EQUIP SCALE ACCESSORIES SMOKE KITS ETC Sand $100 Catalog details will appear next column nbove lends murky waters stagnated Electric rules classes situation see cause promoting Electric making easy fun economical everyone desires successful Electric eventually test accomplishments against others ie compete other reasons motivat ed experiment described above have reveal some strong feelings about continuing rules battle Before continuing let make clear what follows feeling hap pens also someone modeling industry its coincidental am party raging Electric bat tle Mine personal preference based lots Electric Electric Fly experi ence No has influenced strong ly object regulation thnt would dis conrnge use existing equipment least like balance decade An example such requirement would event limited motor run clearly would encourage vely high-power-spending systemsmotors batteries techniques auto matically become costly An other example would events requiring some specific number cells used because variety batteries numbers cells use legislating against some making easy affected Since column permit suggest solution rules classes dilemma favor use motor battery run-time other words favor initial allowance power system utilization believe restrictions motors bat teries cell count model weights like effect reduces contestant being permitted charge battery choice wishes using available energy battery can deliver its fill rubber motor will accept ly winds winch line long Its up modeler make 140 Model Aviation best use what has battery number cells effect useful other number appropriate plane plane size weight necessar ily increase power system make up far can see thing changes size costnot per formance kinda evens out Fur thermore everybody know flies way empties tank time anyway course some categorization some thing needed just like Mens Ladies facilities Simple enoughjust have Electric model power-system categoriesthe obvious ones being simply Glider OT Scale Aerobatic Pylon what ever immediate effect of above existing product kit working model published designany thingis eligible competitionand now Another immediate benefit ap proach ongoing industry bick ering would tone down modeldom would get national-level AMA rules Another benefit immediate emphasis would shift good building flying practices rather does guy have legal motor battery whatever Another participants would find intimate knowledge batteries care feeding would very much advantage lat ter much problemthe RC car guys time Its unlike tak ing good care rubber motor Another advantage initial rule cooling off period would give us na tionwide experience basis future Electric class descriptions rules would developa solid basisrather charged emotion details various model categories need worked out should relatively easy named has existing non-Electric coun terpart course expect will questions challenges to Some come mind 1 Its OK Glider OT fly Aerobatic Gooduse available energy battery choice fill good flying technique much pattern whatever well canyou lose points imprecision incompleteness 2 Its OK Gliders OT Aero batic fly Pylon Gooduse available energy fly laps fast possibleincom plete laps cost points longer times something like 3 Yeh other guy has big shiny cobalt 37 cells have grass-shears motor five cells doesnt much matter has huge heavy plane stuff bigger necessarily better general relative proportions total model weight contributed motor battery everything else relatively constant maintain end large small power systems planes will fare about even-up no big differences 4 arent motors really different Sure some differences Some have better brushes bearings Cobalts can handle power smaller light er case size Differences efficiency exist no really big dif ferences Remember battery/flighttime experiment mentioned earlier mostly comes down total energy available wisely skillfully pilot uses little luck thrown too 5 What about hot-shot can affordand willing abusemotors batteries destruction pur pose winning Initially such presence will very limited non-existent will stay way long time say simply refer earlier paragraph regarding loners final point suppliers Elec tric field have produce something makes good business sense better prod ucts lower prices deal reason able number motor sizes battery cells charger types Right now plenty useful systems market wide variety power levels price ranges Until everything settles out until some ultimate position classes etc arrived proposal Dermits use everything past present production Sportingbut mostly competitiveuse varied resources will surely expose users preferences will take few years So have itmore varied views Electric Power performancedif ferent strokes wereand differences can result less same flying results turn helps justify writers suggestion initial set Electric-powered model categoriesnot power-system rules thanks Tom getting off kick Now know stand what position Happy Landings Bob Kopski 25 West End Dr Lans dale PA 19446 ANEWSPACESAVING FUEL CONTAINER PtoiuTourlox 2x7 SjShiglo91/8 Tough Rigid Polyothylono Includes Tubing plus $1 pootugo North Products PO Box 18419 Cleveland Heights OH 44118 SAILPLANE LAUNCH EQUIPMENT FOR EVERY FIELD S PORTWINCH $225 QA * inc1sd Q9 * $350Q9 * * pluu shipping source QUIET FLIGHT supplies hi-starts electric motors& reducers batteriesparaehutestow line drums accessories braided nylon line selected kitsthe PROPHET sailplane kit VISA MASTERCARD CORPORATION Pm 4 SYSTEMS ONE WOOD LANEMALVERNPA19355 215644-06926772 Wrile call information November1984 141 P OWR VOW buttery inc1ud POW P200 M RETRIEVER $250 QA *
Edition: Model Aviation - 1984/11
Page Numbers: 50, 51, 140, 141
Radio Contml Electrics Bob Kopski LAST month mentioned regular ly-featured Electric writing knew What didnt know time Model Airplane News planning add Electric column Bob Sliff will author dont know will begin what format will can watch Attaboys both MAN Bob Two months ago mentioned Leisure would kitting Wasp acro batic model turns out have doing just havent advertised first kit run sold out quickly way As Ive said before design Jim Zaremb ski excellent flier also available plan RCM Astro has two new ones works Two-Meter glider OldTimer Tom Coyne Electric Aeronautics Box 602 Flint MI 48501 tells new Humming Bird 05-size sport acrobatic kit will available later year Theres no question mind Electric needs good kitshistoric lack area has major holdup progress successful Electric-pow ered flying hope above work out well help fill gap like crater Second Annual Boeing Hawks Elec tric Fly held June 30th year rain-out last years CD Bernard Cawley 210 37th St SE #43 Auburn Wash 98002 reports eight participants bad new activity least two planes large assortment Electrics including powered Sailplane Old-Timers sport planes Scale Pattern Pylon event format open fly-in except speed runs Prize sup port came Hawks Astro Lei sure SR Batteries given variety judged categories fun fly nature such Most Impressive Longest Flight Most Aerobatic Highest Speed Largest Smallest etc same sort thing annual KRC Electric Fly works very well As yet no established AMA Electric Categories Classes etc folks quite happy fun fly approach time Mitch Poling Model Builder magazines Electric columnist attendance spent much time helping questions taking pictures affair MB dont know what issue presentation scheduled can watch can also watch wait next years event column will happy announce info becomes available meantime con gratulations Boeing Hawks Contest Director Bernard Cawley assured way activity can go grow mall frequently tells story writer Electric flier area club Sometimes get feeling loners could unite area would largest club world Anyway know feeling same true nearly decade ago What found can Electric flier other wise active group long long time However soon second person tries successful growth much rapid Its though two maybe three critical mass Once few fliers display routine success fun Electric likely slowly surely join ranks Have out happen group Occasionally KRC privileged have visitor area drop field happens several times year often visitor just wants see some successful Electrics because guy back home tried could get up about 50 feet two minutes What wind up after visit strong conviction Electric really does workvery wellnothing like near powered-sink exper ience may have seen story continues soon will see very wide range Electric ex perience viewpoint preference can thing characterizes local fliers no hot-shot perform ersa relative description Specifically stories weve read about some 50 Model Aviation Fatherson team Doug Bill Earily prepare first flight Spectra Soar Model waa built poster board plans before professional ones available Power Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells 8-4 Top Plite nylon prop Radio Airtronics Jack Leber modified kit Wasphe prefers single fins twIns Moderate power system Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells 7-6 nylon prop provides flights exceeding six minutes dura tion Cannon Micro RC system helps keep weight low Plane doas docile aerobatics motor/battery/model combination flies out sight 60 secondsstraight up found locally Rather local guys quite few quite content fly rather long motor runs slowly achieving very high altitudes wish always achieving comfortably long flights particularly glider OT sport designs now keep mind terms relative too very kind flying very much impresses less-successful visitors day visitor South ern California Tom Tom flies several Electrics back home him Tom didnt specifically state think flying flying condi tions left him little cold same kind flying never ceases dazzle non-believers think relatively ho hum Tom As got matter Toms clear impression air better hes very long Electric glider OT flights routine because lift nearly always present relative ly speaking such just wasnt case southeastern Pennsylvania Furthermore Continued page 140 Two Spectras Phoebe Sylvia L holds dads Stunt version right Joe Bergin Sport version youre frIend designer member same club get build latest designs before appear Model Aviation Charles Sylvias plane uses Astro 075 Super Ferritesight 900 mAh cells 7-4 Kavan prop has Jomar SC-2 speed controller Radio gear Ace Silver Seven receiver 100 mAh flight pack two micro servos Flying weight 37 oz Joes plane uses Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells Futaba RC small servos Photo taken before models first very successful flight NT RODUCING THE FINGER SAVER NEEDLE VALVE TOOL AVOID HAND & FINGER CUTS & BRUISES FROM PROPS -Th PRICE $695 SHIPPING INCLUDED Keeps fingers away props Easy use Self-centering push turn Reaches hard get needle valves Works super fully cowled engines Fits 049 up including Superigre needles Works angles 30 deg metal construction plastic handle Covers 85% engines market today TO ORDER D & L TOOL SALES PO Box 16147 Cincinnati Ohio 4521 6 Sorry NO Visa M/C COOn ta mini Laser 200 Kit Foam Wings Laser 200 Kit Pre Built Wings Pre Built Wing md Tube Foam Cores Tube & Inserts Aluminum Spar T-6 6061 Phenolic Tubes pair Formed Landing Gear T-6 6061 Epoxyglass Cowl Epoxyglass Wheelpants Canopy Decals Plans Tartan Twin Engine Hub Adaptor Kit Webra Bully Engine Hub Adaptor Kit Giant Ia Scale New Four Laser Turn Around Pattern Stand Off Scale Fun Fly Events 1/4 Scaje Laser 200 Products $35000 17500 B00 850 2250 3000 1850 800 650 2250 1650 2650 S 15900 22900 10000 2250 725 650 1850 2250 1450 650 450 2250 Laser 200s built-up bones hinged ready cover available special order accompanied deposit /3 scale $65000 $5000 charge wood crate must sent motor freight e $35000 bones plus freight have Magnalite Carbon Fiber Parts competition flyer Direct Sales Only PRECISION BUILT MODELS & KITS 1818 6th Ave W Bradenton FL 33505 B 131 747-7006 November 1984 51 finish etc Flying mentioned earlier would qualify model award its particular category flying would start after restaurants opened breakfast flying would end before owls flocked nightly briefings However particular group wanted night-fly would easy arrange along awards nocturnal nuttiness Throw on-the-field barbeque banquet some prizes awardsboth dubious ones seriousand could biggest Show-and-Tell Homecoming Fun-Fly side Mars Imagine Scale models flying wings sleek F3B ships along handlaunch types glider tows type glider imaginable air same event Interested drop postcard stating briefly what interested Also include category mentioned Remember maxing-out fun would number priority Cross-country news Central Ontario Soaring Society ran event July got taste same type weather plagued other Midwest contests reported last month After 20-mile-per-hour winds kept everyone near winches first day breezes eased up 10 15 mph day two low overcast kept flights short Mark Wencel Detroit report ed 12 teams entered COGGs own John McMillan clicked off 33 miles good enough first place West Coast Larry Pettyjohn reported San Francisco Valley Silent flyers annual Desert Dash down wind race Teamed up Jerry Krain ock Collin DiMaio Derik Meacham Pettyjoha Mike Bame Gary Ittner flew latters Tai-Tai After dust settled flight points added Krainocks effort 67 mile runthe course lengthin 1458 minutes enough boost team Collins Wild Wind first place Lnst-minute briefs Chuck Beeman California latest achieve LSF/level V Thats number 34 select group over 5300 members Congratulations LSF President Warren Plohr says mail will no longer forwarded old Chicago mailing address its year since change Suggestion have level form old address change address now way its time send form youll have correct address League Silent Flight PO Box 647 Munde lein IL 60060 Remember Jerry Mrlik Astro Jeff design earned few contest wins around country over last nearly dozen years along LSF/level V few fliers thought design some fine engineering features model just might mark craftsman take look August 1984 issue Road Track page 110 see what did quarter-scale Ferrari meantime good lift Dan Pruss 131 E Pennington Ln Plainfield IL 60544 RO ElectricslKopski Continued page 51 typical Electric flier mind preferred use very large amounts power short motor runs just get very-high-climb part flight over concentrate gliding No four- five-minute motor run/climbs out see Toms experience reference preference quite dif ferent other local fliers Following Toms visit pondered matters length decided try experiment Throughout MAs recent Electric series took position successful Electrics total average flight time neutral air deter mined battery assuming appro priate motor/model/battery combina tion wanted try kind flying Tom described same time put further test battery/flight-time argument Limited results date fully support position expanded p.- log Twelve page-Fully lIIutrated complete details on. MUFFLERS ENGINE MOUNTS ENGINE TESTING EQUIP SCALE ACCESSORIES SMOKE KITS ETC Sand $100 Catalog details will appear next column nbove lends murky waters stagnated Electric rules classes situation see cause promoting Electric making easy fun economical everyone desires successful Electric eventually test accomplishments against others ie compete other reasons motivat ed experiment described above have reveal some strong feelings about continuing rules battle Before continuing let make clear what follows feeling hap pens also someone modeling industry its coincidental am party raging Electric bat tle Mine personal preference based lots Electric Electric Fly experi ence No has influenced strong ly object regulation thnt would dis conrnge use existing equipment least like balance decade An example such requirement would event limited motor run clearly would encourage vely high-power-spending systemsmotors batteries techniques auto matically become costly An other example would events requiring some specific number cells used because variety batteries numbers cells use legislating against some making easy affected Since column permit suggest solution rules classes dilemma favor use motor battery run-time other words favor initial allowance power system utilization believe restrictions motors bat teries cell count model weights like effect reduces contestant being permitted charge battery choice wishes using available energy battery can deliver its fill rubber motor will accept ly winds winch line long Its up modeler make 140 Model Aviation best use what has battery number cells effect useful other number appropriate plane plane size weight necessar ily increase power system make up far can see thing changes size costnot per formance kinda evens out Fur thermore everybody know flies way empties tank time anyway course some categorization some thing needed just like Mens Ladies facilities Simple enoughjust have Electric model power-system categoriesthe obvious ones being simply Glider OT Scale Aerobatic Pylon what ever immediate effect of above existing product kit working model published designany thingis eligible competitionand now Another immediate benefit ap proach ongoing industry bick ering would tone down modeldom would get national-level AMA rules Another benefit immediate emphasis would shift good building flying practices rather does guy have legal motor battery whatever Another participants would find intimate knowledge batteries care feeding would very much advantage lat ter much problemthe RC car guys time Its unlike tak ing good care rubber motor Another advantage initial rule cooling off period would give us na tionwide experience basis future Electric class descriptions rules would developa solid basisrather charged emotion details various model categories need worked out should relatively easy named has existing non-Electric coun terpart course expect will questions challenges to Some come mind 1 Its OK Glider OT fly Aerobatic Gooduse available energy battery choice fill good flying technique much pattern whatever well canyou lose points imprecision incompleteness 2 Its OK Gliders OT Aero batic fly Pylon Gooduse available energy fly laps fast possibleincom plete laps cost points longer times something like 3 Yeh other guy has big shiny cobalt 37 cells have grass-shears motor five cells doesnt much matter has huge heavy plane stuff bigger necessarily better general relative proportions total model weight contributed motor battery everything else relatively constant maintain end large small power systems planes will fare about even-up no big differences 4 arent motors really different Sure some differences Some have better brushes bearings Cobalts can handle power smaller light er case size Differences efficiency exist no really big dif ferences Remember battery/flighttime experiment mentioned earlier mostly comes down total energy available wisely skillfully pilot uses little luck thrown too 5 What about hot-shot can affordand willing abusemotors batteries destruction pur pose winning Initially such presence will very limited non-existent will stay way long time say simply refer earlier paragraph regarding loners final point suppliers Elec tric field have produce something makes good business sense better prod ucts lower prices deal reason able number motor sizes battery cells charger types Right now plenty useful systems market wide variety power levels price ranges Until everything settles out until some ultimate position classes etc arrived proposal Dermits use everything past present production Sportingbut mostly competitiveuse varied resources will surely expose users preferences will take few years So have itmore varied views Electric Power performancedif ferent strokes wereand differences can result less same flying results turn helps justify writers suggestion initial set Electric-powered model categoriesnot power-system rules thanks Tom getting off kick Now know stand what position Happy Landings Bob Kopski 25 West End Dr Lans dale PA 19446 ANEWSPACESAVING FUEL CONTAINER PtoiuTourlox 2x7 SjShiglo91/8 Tough Rigid Polyothylono Includes Tubing plus $1 pootugo North Products PO Box 18419 Cleveland Heights OH 44118 SAILPLANE LAUNCH EQUIPMENT FOR EVERY FIELD S PORTWINCH $225 QA * inc1sd Q9 * $350Q9 * * pluu shipping source QUIET FLIGHT supplies hi-starts electric motors& reducers batteriesparaehutestow line drums accessories braided nylon line selected kitsthe PROPHET sailplane kit VISA MASTERCARD CORPORATION Pm 4 SYSTEMS ONE WOOD LANEMALVERNPA19355 215644-06926772 Wrile call information November1984 141 P OWR VOW buttery inc1ud POW P200 M RETRIEVER $250 QA *
Edition: Model Aviation - 1984/11
Page Numbers: 50, 51, 140, 141
Radio Contml Electrics Bob Kopski LAST month mentioned regular ly-featured Electric writing knew What didnt know time Model Airplane News planning add Electric column Bob Sliff will author dont know will begin what format will can watch Attaboys both MAN Bob Two months ago mentioned Leisure would kitting Wasp acro batic model turns out have doing just havent advertised first kit run sold out quickly way As Ive said before design Jim Zaremb ski excellent flier also available plan RCM Astro has two new ones works Two-Meter glider OldTimer Tom Coyne Electric Aeronautics Box 602 Flint MI 48501 tells new Humming Bird 05-size sport acrobatic kit will available later year Theres no question mind Electric needs good kitshistoric lack area has major holdup progress successful Electric-pow ered flying hope above work out well help fill gap like crater Second Annual Boeing Hawks Elec tric Fly held June 30th year rain-out last years CD Bernard Cawley 210 37th St SE #43 Auburn Wash 98002 reports eight participants bad new activity least two planes large assortment Electrics including powered Sailplane Old-Timers sport planes Scale Pattern Pylon event format open fly-in except speed runs Prize sup port came Hawks Astro Lei sure SR Batteries given variety judged categories fun fly nature such Most Impressive Longest Flight Most Aerobatic Highest Speed Largest Smallest etc same sort thing annual KRC Electric Fly works very well As yet no established AMA Electric Categories Classes etc folks quite happy fun fly approach time Mitch Poling Model Builder magazines Electric columnist attendance spent much time helping questions taking pictures affair MB dont know what issue presentation scheduled can watch can also watch wait next years event column will happy announce info becomes available meantime con gratulations Boeing Hawks Contest Director Bernard Cawley assured way activity can go grow mall frequently tells story writer Electric flier area club Sometimes get feeling loners could unite area would largest club world Anyway know feeling same true nearly decade ago What found can Electric flier other wise active group long long time However soon second person tries successful growth much rapid Its though two maybe three critical mass Once few fliers display routine success fun Electric likely slowly surely join ranks Have out happen group Occasionally KRC privileged have visitor area drop field happens several times year often visitor just wants see some successful Electrics because guy back home tried could get up about 50 feet two minutes What wind up after visit strong conviction Electric really does workvery wellnothing like near powered-sink exper ience may have seen story continues soon will see very wide range Electric ex perience viewpoint preference can thing characterizes local fliers no hot-shot perform ersa relative description Specifically stories weve read about some 50 Model Aviation Fatherson team Doug Bill Earily prepare first flight Spectra Soar Model waa built poster board plans before professional ones available Power Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells 8-4 Top Plite nylon prop Radio Airtronics Jack Leber modified kit Wasphe prefers single fins twIns Moderate power system Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells 7-6 nylon prop provides flights exceeding six minutes dura tion Cannon Micro RC system helps keep weight low Plane doas docile aerobatics motor/battery/model combination flies out sight 60 secondsstraight up found locally Rather local guys quite few quite content fly rather long motor runs slowly achieving very high altitudes wish always achieving comfortably long flights particularly glider OT sport designs now keep mind terms relative too very kind flying very much impresses less-successful visitors day visitor South ern California Tom Tom flies several Electrics back home him Tom didnt specifically state think flying flying condi tions left him little cold same kind flying never ceases dazzle non-believers think relatively ho hum Tom As got matter Toms clear impression air better hes very long Electric glider OT flights routine because lift nearly always present relative ly speaking such just wasnt case southeastern Pennsylvania Furthermore Continued page 140 Two Spectras Phoebe Sylvia L holds dads Stunt version right Joe Bergin Sport version youre frIend designer member same club get build latest designs before appear Model Aviation Charles Sylvias plane uses Astro 075 Super Ferritesight 900 mAh cells 7-4 Kavan prop has Jomar SC-2 speed controller Radio gear Ace Silver Seven receiver 100 mAh flight pack two micro servos Flying weight 37 oz Joes plane uses Astro 0751s1x 12 Ah cells Futaba RC small servos Photo taken before models first very successful flight NT RODUCING THE FINGER SAVER NEEDLE VALVE TOOL AVOID HAND & FINGER CUTS & BRUISES FROM PROPS -Th PRICE $695 SHIPPING INCLUDED Keeps fingers away props Easy use Self-centering push turn Reaches hard get needle valves Works super fully cowled engines Fits 049 up including Superigre needles Works angles 30 deg metal construction plastic handle Covers 85% engines market today TO ORDER D & L TOOL SALES PO Box 16147 Cincinnati Ohio 4521 6 Sorry NO Visa M/C COOn ta mini Laser 200 Kit Foam Wings Laser 200 Kit Pre Built Wings Pre Built Wing md Tube Foam Cores Tube & Inserts Aluminum Spar T-6 6061 Phenolic Tubes pair Formed Landing Gear T-6 6061 Epoxyglass Cowl Epoxyglass Wheelpants Canopy Decals Plans Tartan Twin Engine Hub Adaptor Kit Webra Bully Engine Hub Adaptor Kit Giant Ia Scale New Four Laser Turn Around Pattern Stand Off Scale Fun Fly Events 1/4 Scaje Laser 200 Products $35000 17500 B00 850 2250 3000 1850 800 650 2250 1650 2650 S 15900 22900 10000 2250 725 650 1850 2250 1450 650 450 2250 Laser 200s built-up bones hinged ready cover available special order accompanied deposit /3 scale $65000 $5000 charge wood crate must sent motor freight e $35000 bones plus freight have Magnalite Carbon Fiber Parts competition flyer Direct Sales Only PRECISION BUILT MODELS & KITS 1818 6th Ave W Bradenton FL 33505 B 131 747-7006 November 1984 51 finish etc Flying mentioned earlier would qualify model award its particular category flying would start after restaurants opened breakfast flying would end before owls flocked nightly briefings However particular group wanted night-fly would easy arrange along awards nocturnal nuttiness Throw on-the-field barbeque banquet some prizes awardsboth dubious ones seriousand could biggest Show-and-Tell Homecoming Fun-Fly side Mars Imagine Scale models flying wings sleek F3B ships along handlaunch types glider tows type glider imaginable air same event Interested drop postcard stating briefly what interested Also include category mentioned Remember maxing-out fun would number priority Cross-country news Central Ontario Soaring Society ran event July got taste same type weather plagued other Midwest contests reported last month After 20-mile-per-hour winds kept everyone near winches first day breezes eased up 10 15 mph day two low overcast kept flights short Mark Wencel Detroit report ed 12 teams entered COGGs own John McMillan clicked off 33 miles good enough first place West Coast Larry Pettyjohn reported San Francisco Valley Silent flyers annual Desert Dash down wind race Teamed up Jerry Krain ock Collin DiMaio Derik Meacham Pettyjoha Mike Bame Gary Ittner flew latters Tai-Tai After dust settled flight points added Krainocks effort 67 mile runthe course lengthin 1458 minutes enough boost team Collins Wild Wind first place Lnst-minute briefs Chuck Beeman California latest achieve LSF/level V Thats number 34 select group over 5300 members Congratulations LSF President Warren Plohr says mail will no longer forwarded old Chicago mailing address its year since change Suggestion have level form old address change address now way its time send form youll have correct address League Silent Flight PO Box 647 Munde lein IL 60060 Remember Jerry Mrlik Astro Jeff design earned few contest wins around country over last nearly dozen years along LSF/level V few fliers thought design some fine engineering features model just might mark craftsman take look August 1984 issue Road Track page 110 see what did quarter-scale Ferrari meantime good lift Dan Pruss 131 E Pennington Ln Plainfield IL 60544 RO ElectricslKopski Continued page 51 typical Electric flier mind preferred use very large amounts power short motor runs just get very-high-climb part flight over concentrate gliding No four- five-minute motor run/climbs out see Toms experience reference preference quite dif ferent other local fliers Following Toms visit pondered matters length decided try experiment Throughout MAs recent Electric series took position successful Electrics total average flight time neutral air deter mined battery assuming appro priate motor/model/battery combina tion wanted try kind flying Tom described same time put further test battery/flight-time argument Limited results date fully support position expanded p.- log Twelve page-Fully lIIutrated complete details on. MUFFLERS ENGINE MOUNTS ENGINE TESTING EQUIP SCALE ACCESSORIES SMOKE KITS ETC Sand $100 Catalog details will appear next column nbove lends murky waters stagnated Electric rules classes situation see cause promoting Electric making easy fun economical everyone desires successful Electric eventually test accomplishments against others ie compete other reasons motivat ed experiment described above have reveal some strong feelings about continuing rules battle Before continuing let make clear what follows feeling hap pens also someone modeling industry its coincidental am party raging Electric bat tle Mine personal preference based lots Electric Electric Fly experi ence No has influenced strong ly object regulation thnt would dis conrnge use existing equipment least like balance decade An example such requirement would event limited motor run clearly would encourage vely high-power-spending systemsmotors batteries techniques auto matically become costly An other example would events requiring some specific number cells used because variety batteries numbers cells use legislating against some making easy affected Since column permit suggest solution rules classes dilemma favor use motor battery run-time other words favor initial allowance power system utilization believe restrictions motors bat teries cell count model weights like effect reduces contestant being permitted charge battery choice wishes using available energy battery can deliver its fill rubber motor will accept ly winds winch line long Its up modeler make 140 Model Aviation best use what has battery number cells effect useful other number appropriate plane plane size weight necessar ily increase power system make up far can see thing changes size costnot per formance kinda evens out Fur thermore everybody know flies way empties tank time anyway course some categorization some thing needed just like Mens Ladies facilities Simple enoughjust have Electric model power-system categoriesthe obvious ones being simply Glider OT Scale Aerobatic Pylon what ever immediate effect of above existing product kit working model published designany thingis eligible competitionand now Another immediate benefit ap proach ongoing industry bick ering would tone down modeldom would get national-level AMA rules Another benefit immediate emphasis would shift good building flying practices rather does guy have legal motor battery whatever Another participants would find intimate knowledge batteries care feeding would very much advantage lat ter much problemthe RC car guys time Its unlike tak ing good care rubber motor Another advantage initial rule cooling off period would give us na tionwide experience basis future Electric class descriptions rules would developa solid basisrather charged emotion details various model categories need worked out should relatively easy named has existing non-Electric coun terpart course expect will questions challenges to Some come mind 1 Its OK Glider OT fly Aerobatic Gooduse available energy battery choice fill good flying technique much pattern whatever well canyou lose points imprecision incompleteness 2 Its OK Gliders OT Aero batic fly Pylon Gooduse available energy fly laps fast possibleincom plete laps cost points longer times something like 3 Yeh other guy has big shiny cobalt 37 cells have grass-shears motor five cells doesnt much matter has huge heavy plane stuff bigger necessarily better general relative proportions total model weight contributed motor battery everything else relatively constant maintain end large small power systems planes will fare about even-up no big differences 4 arent motors really different Sure some differences Some have better brushes bearings Cobalts can handle power smaller light er case size Differences efficiency exist no really big dif ferences Remember battery/flighttime experiment mentioned earlier mostly comes down total energy available wisely skillfully pilot uses little luck thrown too 5 What about hot-shot can affordand willing abusemotors batteries destruction pur pose winning Initially such presence will very limited non-existent will stay way long time say simply refer earlier paragraph regarding loners final point suppliers Elec tric field have produce something makes good business sense better prod ucts lower prices deal reason able number motor sizes battery cells charger types Right now plenty useful systems market wide variety power levels price ranges Until everything settles out until some ultimate position classes etc arrived proposal Dermits use everything past present production Sportingbut mostly competitiveuse varied resources will surely expose users preferences will take few years So have itmore varied views Electric Power performancedif ferent strokes wereand differences can result less same flying results turn helps justify writers suggestion initial set Electric-powered model categoriesnot power-system rules thanks Tom getting off kick Now know stand what position Happy Landings Bob Kopski 25 West End Dr Lans dale PA 19446 ANEWSPACESAVING FUEL CONTAINER PtoiuTourlox 2x7 SjShiglo91/8 Tough Rigid Polyothylono Includes Tubing plus $1 pootugo North Products PO Box 18419 Cleveland Heights OH 44118 SAILPLANE LAUNCH EQUIPMENT FOR EVERY FIELD S PORTWINCH $225 QA * inc1sd Q9 * $350Q9 * * pluu shipping source QUIET FLIGHT supplies hi-starts electric motors& reducers batteriesparaehutestow line drums accessories braided nylon line selected kitsthe PROPHET sailplane kit VISA MASTERCARD CORPORATION Pm 4 SYSTEMS ONE WOOD LANEMALVERNPA19355 215644-06926772 Wrile call information November1984 141 P OWR VOW buttery inc1ud POW P200 M RETRIEVER $250 QA *