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Safety Comes First

Author: G.A. Shaw


Edition: Model Aviation - 1999/08
Page Numbers: 68, 71, 77

Gary Shaw r I STICKY SITUATION May column wrote about precautions should take using cyanoacrylate CyA glues highlighted few ills could potentially develop used carelessly appears readers have experienced few ills firsthandI received numerous pieces mail requesting additional information common-sense solutions asking provide own experience Almost readers described symptoms occurred after being exposed CyA using personal protective equipment symptoms included severe hives bloody nose severe cough runny eyes nose insomnia Joseph Micalizzi Fajardo PR described frustration inability determine what causing breathing problems subsequent sleepless nights Through long process elimination Joseph feels hes finally discovered source suffering just finished reading column May issue Model Aviation found very interesting summer 1991 got point couldnt sleep night problem breathing went see nose specialist after spending about $600 problem went away October 1997 club started model aviation program Roosevelt Roads Naval Base Ceiba PR school gave us classroom use after school classes held three times week hour long keep costs down teach students about building models scratch-built made epoxy CyA beginning 1998 started having problems breathing night time about 25 students using quite lot CyA kicker Since Id problem once before went back same doctor started treatment over again treatment started series pinpricks along arm twice week Once doctor found out what causing problem made vaccine would take once week next week would get different dosages until vial finished would go back would make different vaccine taken same wayI didnt get better Before knew it June school over Puerto Rico meant no building Before knew started getting better going doctor spending money finally figured out problem being caused CyA building As today have problems breathing night As 1991 cannot remember whether building models using CyA caused problem time know no longer use can breathe Although Joseph fortunate enough discover source problems over time Russel Mobley Thompson GA found mixing CyA fumes medications could very concerning After several severe nose bleeds Russel decided pass warning own read much interest letter Roy McGuckin too am highly allergic CyA although different way Roy have extremely bad nosebleed cough doesnt seem matter use new odorless type notthey both have same effect have written Roy information about reactions since dont have access copy machine going town some 15 miles away thought would just type another letter What compounds case have two heart attacks open heart surgery consequently Im blood thinners impossible stop nosebleed starts also have careful some sanding sealers effects burning eyes initiation cough situation became worse about four years ago have time ever sinceguess am just getting old worn out Since subject 68 Model Aviation IJ\ LJ I have stated brand because using two different kinds allergies have information regarding some modelers being allergic having some troubles different brands balsa sanding am talking about major sanding job just minor sanding obtain fit some parts have several kits manufactured Europe balsa seems either treated some chemical much different origin what get kits am currently working Precedent I240 kit manufactured England also have two other kits leave shop nosebleed minor sanding some balsa Incidentally doctor has never mentioned Grovers Disease know am going ask about next visit Robert Bartz Green Bay WI experienced several symptoms mentioned letters above Rather go through lengthy process elimination Robert able focus right away what thought bothering him begin search find solutions answers Offering some insight dilemma possible solution exposure using CyA products Robert reveals following Ive just read column May issue Model Aviation section CyAs entitled Sticky Situation particularly interesting dont believe modeling community pays enough attention health effects glue got RC modeling about 10 years ago just took granted Id use wonderful glue About three years ago finally dawned runny nose irritated sinuses due CyA After talking other club members getting particular solutions except have plenty ventilation now use exhaust fan called 3M very cooperative understood what meant CyA recommended 3M 5000 series dual-cartridge mask specifically 5201-medium very comfortable mask appears Continued poge 77 August 1999 71 Worlds Best 1/2-A UJ Cub # K-505 best model aliplane parts -fr R/CAir4gjines ny has building worlds finest model f accessories model airplane engines including ok Fox new engInes vommg soon Call today internet xvwwfoxmaiitdgcom 501 646-1656 Fax 501 646-1757 5305 Towson Avenue Fort Smith AR 72901 e-mail foxmotors@aolcom Visit bs lie SafetylShaw Continued page 71 job Ill have admit cheat little its just minor amount gluing believe mask cost around $20 filters replaceable dont use accelerators about year ago some CyA fumes got left eye cant see stuff suddenly eye burns After week went doctor no damage found Anyway Id like see about use CyAs especially pointed toward just getting hobby may cut finger like whirling prop once youre allergic it doesnt go away should come no surprise use glues nothing combinations substances have potential harm people used according labels Most product labels provide warnings should followed Unfortunately over years Ive noted individuals dont read heed whats written yourself favoruse ventilation its recommended whether its fresh air brought through open window ventilation overhead plenum carries CyA fumes away Additionally invest few dollars good respirator uses cartridges organic inorganic substances right cartridge type find store near carries appropriate cartridges call manufacturer consult nearby hardware store Describe product desire protected whether its mist fumes vapors dust theres cartridge available help keep exposure monsmum Until open windows use small quantities take breaks often have fun Keep em level until next month x1/2 socket caps sell $435/lou alloy steel $665/lao stainless S150/50 aluminum fair prices sensible quantities fas teners need model building call write fax free catalogl Micro Fasteners800-892-6911 110 Hillcrest Road908-806-4050 Flemington NJ 08822fax 908-788-2607 e-mail of@blastnetInternet //microfastenencom Complete vyotemo avd otherpmdoctv avartable ytaveo cars avd boats CoO write Pvr detapo Makes starting easier asd sefer Keeps glow plag hat last engine needs t mast Csnnects between throttle servo receive, reversible selectable oft points Unit can drive -- twa 915w plago aed tarns cit transmitter OS tSO% electronic wade USA Compatible AM FM ability elevons 0- raps spoirers ulleron r coapling Easy setup installation Ragged micraprocessor-based design 100% electranic tar high reliability Simply connect mioer between servos receiver Featurestwo mixing modes individoal servo reversing asdlaurditferest wiving rates matures allow tailar raiver needs poor model Will sot overdrive poor semos optiona selected simple switches Made USA ond designed forAld FM POM radio syotemo Very lowyowerconoumptiva Lesoradioconnectors Size iE vOS v Sd Weight 020 vo Part No OA $3O95 $3685 complete w/nonnentore GloinDniver Multi-Cylinder Engines$4080 GlowDriver tsr Boats3295 GlomDniver Cars & Trucks3295 AccessorySwitch 300 Watt3495 AcceosorySmitch Low-Corrent2495 IgnitionUnit Rocket Powered Models3995 PowerBackup3695 SbServo2895 ServoFailSafe-lip2495 ThrottloSWitch in/SEC & Timer4095 PowerRegulator S Volt1495 RetractController Electric Retracto2995 ServoTrigger2495 ServoSmitch2995 ServoExeroloer2495 August1999 77 N Rubber & Engine Power Free Flight Display Control Line Electric Power R/C Airplanes Penn Valley Hobby Center 837-A W Main St Lansdale PA 19446 215-368-0770 i7jJfiJj74 d W#WeJ -u htILqLEEIj 90 wtconnectsr aQeas w . .omplete single twin-engine US CESSNA 126/IA PIng wing petals make ttds l9utAA t20Pt46 may trenapars fly Eulidma either t20 m t49 laser net perts 8d1 melded intoner kit aempatar drawn railed plans atrassinam landing geao melded aamt window. Easy te fly geed leaking teats taddiaggar neeseuhll Spas 98 length 64 wesaJa tl-t3 fera4 ahanant radio 6t0232eyn1er 9l-t92daynlennginn EAST SURE UN UVMUI TSP MEETI WI KITS 48 MIDOET PAUSTANG 410998 73 L19l1tflDO4O -114998 39 CIIIPMItNX4IO99g 63 ASON AIRCOUPE 412998 98 P39 AIRACODRA 41099572 PIPER COMANCHE -516995 U IlEARWIN SPEED8TER4II99872 TWIN COMANCHE 419988 90 3240 UDERATOE429955H MOONEY OVATION 424999 98 CURNA 1230140428998 ladet melded eterka hit FULL COI01 CBTflLUG S2 IllPPlIlG MD IWIDLING $B95 leitamene mewea a asia san niast JACK JAFFORD 4ODEL see mimes minains Ci eraSe PHONE 9172799330 VtSA-MASTERCAI1DDIgCOVEE PAX gt7-27R-6578 R 0 Box 3129 n CORPUS CHRISTI TX 78463-3129Add $100 S&H Ononas Isroveunios & Cusnoarn Srnvicr 361 814-8843TX Residents Houns M P hue Cnrnnur FAX & Arms Houns 361 814-0843 add 7875% lanverar 0-out & TrunsicuL Snurr pmetek@swbellset- es tan

Author: G.A. Shaw


Edition: Model Aviation - 1999/08
Page Numbers: 68, 71, 77

Gary Shaw r I STICKY SITUATION May column wrote about precautions should take using cyanoacrylate CyA glues highlighted few ills could potentially develop used carelessly appears readers have experienced few ills firsthandI received numerous pieces mail requesting additional information common-sense solutions asking provide own experience Almost readers described symptoms occurred after being exposed CyA using personal protective equipment symptoms included severe hives bloody nose severe cough runny eyes nose insomnia Joseph Micalizzi Fajardo PR described frustration inability determine what causing breathing problems subsequent sleepless nights Through long process elimination Joseph feels hes finally discovered source suffering just finished reading column May issue Model Aviation found very interesting summer 1991 got point couldnt sleep night problem breathing went see nose specialist after spending about $600 problem went away October 1997 club started model aviation program Roosevelt Roads Naval Base Ceiba PR school gave us classroom use after school classes held three times week hour long keep costs down teach students about building models scratch-built made epoxy CyA beginning 1998 started having problems breathing night time about 25 students using quite lot CyA kicker Since Id problem once before went back same doctor started treatment over again treatment started series pinpricks along arm twice week Once doctor found out what causing problem made vaccine would take once week next week would get different dosages until vial finished would go back would make different vaccine taken same wayI didnt get better Before knew it June school over Puerto Rico meant no building Before knew started getting better going doctor spending money finally figured out problem being caused CyA building As today have problems breathing night As 1991 cannot remember whether building models using CyA caused problem time know no longer use can breathe Although Joseph fortunate enough discover source problems over time Russel Mobley Thompson GA found mixing CyA fumes medications could very concerning After several severe nose bleeds Russel decided pass warning own read much interest letter Roy McGuckin too am highly allergic CyA although different way Roy have extremely bad nosebleed cough doesnt seem matter use new odorless type notthey both have same effect have written Roy information about reactions since dont have access copy machine going town some 15 miles away thought would just type another letter What compounds case have two heart attacks open heart surgery consequently Im blood thinners impossible stop nosebleed starts also have careful some sanding sealers effects burning eyes initiation cough situation became worse about four years ago have time ever sinceguess am just getting old worn out Since subject 68 Model Aviation IJ\ LJ I have stated brand because using two different kinds allergies have information regarding some modelers being allergic having some troubles different brands balsa sanding am talking about major sanding job just minor sanding obtain fit some parts have several kits manufactured Europe balsa seems either treated some chemical much different origin what get kits am currently working Precedent I240 kit manufactured England also have two other kits leave shop nosebleed minor sanding some balsa Incidentally doctor has never mentioned Grovers Disease know am going ask about next visit Robert Bartz Green Bay WI experienced several symptoms mentioned letters above Rather go through lengthy process elimination Robert able focus right away what thought bothering him begin search find solutions answers Offering some insight dilemma possible solution exposure using CyA products Robert reveals following Ive just read column May issue Model Aviation section CyAs entitled Sticky Situation particularly interesting dont believe modeling community pays enough attention health effects glue got RC modeling about 10 years ago just took granted Id use wonderful glue About three years ago finally dawned runny nose irritated sinuses due CyA After talking other club members getting particular solutions except have plenty ventilation now use exhaust fan called 3M very cooperative understood what meant CyA recommended 3M 5000 series dual-cartridge mask specifically 5201-medium very comfortable mask appears Continued poge 77 August 1999 71 Worlds Best 1/2-A UJ Cub # K-505 best model aliplane parts -fr R/CAir4gjines ny has building worlds finest model f accessories model airplane engines including ok Fox new engInes vommg soon Call today internet xvwwfoxmaiitdgcom 501 646-1656 Fax 501 646-1757 5305 Towson Avenue Fort Smith AR 72901 e-mail foxmotors@aolcom Visit bs lie SafetylShaw Continued page 71 job Ill have admit cheat little its just minor amount gluing believe mask cost around $20 filters replaceable dont use accelerators about year ago some CyA fumes got left eye cant see stuff suddenly eye burns After week went doctor no damage found Anyway Id like see about use CyAs especially pointed toward just getting hobby may cut finger like whirling prop once youre allergic it doesnt go away should come no surprise use glues nothing combinations substances have potential harm people used according labels Most product labels provide warnings should followed Unfortunately over years Ive noted individuals dont read heed whats written yourself favoruse ventilation its recommended whether its fresh air brought through open window ventilation overhead plenum carries CyA fumes away Additionally invest few dollars good respirator uses cartridges organic inorganic substances right cartridge type find store near carries appropriate cartridges call manufacturer consult nearby hardware store Describe product desire protected whether its mist fumes vapors dust theres cartridge available help keep exposure monsmum Until open windows use small quantities take breaks often have fun Keep em level until next month x1/2 socket caps sell $435/lou alloy steel $665/lao stainless S150/50 aluminum fair prices sensible quantities fas teners need model building call write fax free catalogl Micro Fasteners800-892-6911 110 Hillcrest Road908-806-4050 Flemington NJ 08822fax 908-788-2607 e-mail of@blastnetInternet //microfastenencom Complete vyotemo avd otherpmdoctv avartable ytaveo cars avd boats CoO write Pvr detapo Makes starting easier asd sefer Keeps glow plag hat last engine needs t mast Csnnects between throttle servo receive, reversible selectable oft points Unit can drive -- twa 915w plago aed tarns cit transmitter OS tSO% electronic wade USA Compatible AM FM ability elevons 0- raps spoirers ulleron r coapling Easy setup installation Ragged micraprocessor-based design 100% electranic tar high reliability Simply connect mioer between servos receiver Featurestwo mixing modes individoal servo reversing asdlaurditferest wiving rates matures allow tailar raiver needs poor model Will sot overdrive poor semos optiona selected simple switches Made USA ond designed forAld FM POM radio syotemo Very lowyowerconoumptiva Lesoradioconnectors Size iE vOS v Sd Weight 020 vo Part No OA $3O95 $3685 complete w/nonnentore GloinDniver Multi-Cylinder Engines$4080 GlowDriver tsr Boats3295 GlomDniver Cars & Trucks3295 AccessorySwitch 300 Watt3495 AcceosorySmitch Low-Corrent2495 IgnitionUnit Rocket Powered Models3995 PowerBackup3695 SbServo2895 ServoFailSafe-lip2495 ThrottloSWitch in/SEC & Timer4095 PowerRegulator S Volt1495 RetractController Electric Retracto2995 ServoTrigger2495 ServoSmitch2995 ServoExeroloer2495 August1999 77 N Rubber & Engine Power Free Flight Display Control Line Electric Power R/C Airplanes Penn Valley Hobby Center 837-A W Main St Lansdale PA 19446 215-368-0770 i7jJfiJj74 d W#WeJ -u htILqLEEIj 90 wtconnectsr aQeas w . .omplete single twin-engine US CESSNA 126/IA PIng wing petals make ttds l9utAA t20Pt46 may trenapars fly Eulidma either t20 m t49 laser net perts 8d1 melded intoner kit aempatar drawn railed plans atrassinam landing geao melded aamt window. Easy te fly geed leaking teats taddiaggar neeseuhll Spas 98 length 64 wesaJa tl-t3 fera4 ahanant radio 6t0232eyn1er 9l-t92daynlennginn EAST SURE UN UVMUI TSP MEETI WI KITS 48 MIDOET PAUSTANG 410998 73 L19l1tflDO4O -114998 39 CIIIPMItNX4IO99g 63 ASON AIRCOUPE 412998 98 P39 AIRACODRA 41099572 PIPER COMANCHE -516995 U IlEARWIN SPEED8TER4II99872 TWIN COMANCHE 419988 90 3240 UDERATOE429955H MOONEY OVATION 424999 98 CURNA 1230140428998 ladet melded eterka hit FULL COI01 CBTflLUG S2 IllPPlIlG MD IWIDLING $B95 leitamene mewea a asia san niast JACK JAFFORD 4ODEL see mimes minains Ci eraSe PHONE 9172799330 VtSA-MASTERCAI1DDIgCOVEE PAX gt7-27R-6578 R 0 Box 3129 n CORPUS CHRISTI TX 78463-3129Add $100 S&H Ononas Isroveunios & Cusnoarn Srnvicr 361 814-8843TX Residents Houns M P hue Cnrnnur FAX & Arms Houns 361 814-0843 add 7875% lanverar 0-out & TrunsicuL Snurr pmetek@swbellset- es tan

Author: G.A. Shaw


Edition: Model Aviation - 1999/08
Page Numbers: 68, 71, 77

Gary Shaw r I STICKY SITUATION May column wrote about precautions should take using cyanoacrylate CyA glues highlighted few ills could potentially develop used carelessly appears readers have experienced few ills firsthandI received numerous pieces mail requesting additional information common-sense solutions asking provide own experience Almost readers described symptoms occurred after being exposed CyA using personal protective equipment symptoms included severe hives bloody nose severe cough runny eyes nose insomnia Joseph Micalizzi Fajardo PR described frustration inability determine what causing breathing problems subsequent sleepless nights Through long process elimination Joseph feels hes finally discovered source suffering just finished reading column May issue Model Aviation found very interesting summer 1991 got point couldnt sleep night problem breathing went see nose specialist after spending about $600 problem went away October 1997 club started model aviation program Roosevelt Roads Naval Base Ceiba PR school gave us classroom use after school classes held three times week hour long keep costs down teach students about building models scratch-built made epoxy CyA beginning 1998 started having problems breathing night time about 25 students using quite lot CyA kicker Since Id problem once before went back same doctor started treatment over again treatment started series pinpricks along arm twice week Once doctor found out what causing problem made vaccine would take once week next week would get different dosages until vial finished would go back would make different vaccine taken same wayI didnt get better Before knew it June school over Puerto Rico meant no building Before knew started getting better going doctor spending money finally figured out problem being caused CyA building As today have problems breathing night As 1991 cannot remember whether building models using CyA caused problem time know no longer use can breathe Although Joseph fortunate enough discover source problems over time Russel Mobley Thompson GA found mixing CyA fumes medications could very concerning After several severe nose bleeds Russel decided pass warning own read much interest letter Roy McGuckin too am highly allergic CyA although different way Roy have extremely bad nosebleed cough doesnt seem matter use new odorless type notthey both have same effect have written Roy information about reactions since dont have access copy machine going town some 15 miles away thought would just type another letter What compounds case have two heart attacks open heart surgery consequently Im blood thinners impossible stop nosebleed starts also have careful some sanding sealers effects burning eyes initiation cough situation became worse about four years ago have time ever sinceguess am just getting old worn out Since subject 68 Model Aviation IJ\ LJ I have stated brand because using two different kinds allergies have information regarding some modelers being allergic having some troubles different brands balsa sanding am talking about major sanding job just minor sanding obtain fit some parts have several kits manufactured Europe balsa seems either treated some chemical much different origin what get kits am currently working Precedent I240 kit manufactured England also have two other kits leave shop nosebleed minor sanding some balsa Incidentally doctor has never mentioned Grovers Disease know am going ask about next visit Robert Bartz Green Bay WI experienced several symptoms mentioned letters above Rather go through lengthy process elimination Robert able focus right away what thought bothering him begin search find solutions answers Offering some insight dilemma possible solution exposure using CyA products Robert reveals following Ive just read column May issue Model Aviation section CyAs entitled Sticky Situation particularly interesting dont believe modeling community pays enough attention health effects glue got RC modeling about 10 years ago just took granted Id use wonderful glue About three years ago finally dawned runny nose irritated sinuses due CyA After talking other club members getting particular solutions except have plenty ventilation now use exhaust fan called 3M very cooperative understood what meant CyA recommended 3M 5000 series dual-cartridge mask specifically 5201-medium very comfortable mask appears Continued poge 77 August 1999 71 Worlds Best 1/2-A UJ Cub # K-505 best model aliplane parts -fr R/CAir4gjines ny has building worlds finest model f accessories model airplane engines including ok Fox new engInes vommg soon Call today internet xvwwfoxmaiitdgcom 501 646-1656 Fax 501 646-1757 5305 Towson Avenue Fort Smith AR 72901 e-mail foxmotors@aolcom Visit bs lie SafetylShaw Continued page 71 job Ill have admit cheat little its just minor amount gluing believe mask cost around $20 filters replaceable dont use accelerators about year ago some CyA fumes got left eye cant see stuff suddenly eye burns After week went doctor no damage found Anyway Id like see about use CyAs especially pointed toward just getting hobby may cut finger like whirling prop once youre allergic it doesnt go away should come no surprise use glues nothing combinations substances have potential harm people used according labels Most product labels provide warnings should followed Unfortunately over years Ive noted individuals dont read heed whats written yourself favoruse ventilation its recommended whether its fresh air brought through open window ventilation overhead plenum carries CyA fumes away Additionally invest few dollars good respirator uses cartridges organic inorganic substances right cartridge type find store near carries appropriate cartridges call manufacturer consult nearby hardware store Describe product desire protected whether its mist fumes vapors dust theres cartridge available help keep exposure monsmum Until open windows use small quantities take breaks often have fun Keep em level until next month x1/2 socket caps sell $435/lou alloy steel $665/lao stainless S150/50 aluminum fair prices sensible quantities fas teners need model building call write fax free catalogl Micro Fasteners800-892-6911 110 Hillcrest Road908-806-4050 Flemington NJ 08822fax 908-788-2607 e-mail of@blastnetInternet //microfastenencom Complete vyotemo avd otherpmdoctv avartable ytaveo cars avd boats CoO write Pvr detapo Makes starting easier asd sefer Keeps glow plag hat last engine needs t mast Csnnects between throttle servo receive, reversible selectable oft points Unit can drive -- twa 915w plago aed tarns cit transmitter OS tSO% electronic wade USA Compatible AM FM ability elevons 0- raps spoirers ulleron r coapling Easy setup installation Ragged micraprocessor-based design 100% electranic tar high reliability Simply connect mioer between servos receiver Featurestwo mixing modes individoal servo reversing asdlaurditferest wiving rates matures allow tailar raiver needs poor model Will sot overdrive poor semos optiona selected simple switches Made USA ond designed forAld FM POM radio syotemo Very lowyowerconoumptiva Lesoradioconnectors Size iE vOS v Sd Weight 020 vo Part No OA $3O95 $3685 complete w/nonnentore GloinDniver Multi-Cylinder Engines$4080 GlowDriver tsr Boats3295 GlomDniver Cars & Trucks3295 AccessorySwitch 300 Watt3495 AcceosorySmitch Low-Corrent2495 IgnitionUnit Rocket Powered Models3995 PowerBackup3695 SbServo2895 ServoFailSafe-lip2495 ThrottloSWitch in/SEC & Timer4095 PowerRegulator S Volt1495 RetractController Electric Retracto2995 ServoTrigger2495 ServoSmitch2995 ServoExeroloer2495 August1999 77 N Rubber & Engine Power Free Flight Display Control Line Electric Power R/C Airplanes Penn Valley Hobby Center 837-A W Main St Lansdale PA 19446 215-368-0770 i7jJfiJj74 d W#WeJ -u htILqLEEIj 90 wtconnectsr aQeas w . .omplete single twin-engine US CESSNA 126/IA PIng wing petals make ttds l9utAA t20Pt46 may trenapars fly Eulidma either t20 m t49 laser net perts 8d1 melded intoner kit aempatar drawn railed plans atrassinam landing geao melded aamt window. Easy te fly geed leaking teats taddiaggar neeseuhll Spas 98 length 64 wesaJa tl-t3 fera4 ahanant radio 6t0232eyn1er 9l-t92daynlennginn EAST SURE UN UVMUI TSP MEETI WI KITS 48 MIDOET PAUSTANG 410998 73 L19l1tflDO4O -114998 39 CIIIPMItNX4IO99g 63 ASON AIRCOUPE 412998 98 P39 AIRACODRA 41099572 PIPER COMANCHE -516995 U IlEARWIN SPEED8TER4II99872 TWIN COMANCHE 419988 90 3240 UDERATOE429955H MOONEY OVATION 424999 98 CURNA 1230140428998 ladet melded eterka hit FULL COI01 CBTflLUG S2 IllPPlIlG MD IWIDLING $B95 leitamene mewea a asia san niast JACK JAFFORD 4ODEL see mimes minains Ci eraSe PHONE 9172799330 VtSA-MASTERCAI1DDIgCOVEE PAX gt7-27R-6578 R 0 Box 3129 n CORPUS CHRISTI TX 78463-3129Add $100 S&H Ononas Isroveunios & Cusnoarn Srnvicr 361 814-8843TX Residents Houns M P hue Cnrnnur FAX & Arms Houns 361 814-0843 add 7875% lanverar 0-out & TrunsicuL Snurr pmetek@swbellset- es tan

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