NO OCR TEXT Somebody snickered suggested Hey bout big net around 10 feet high 70 feet long Somebody else said Thats good idea Lets figure out chip-net safety barrier born happens several newer members including current president Ben Davison engineers brakemen work some other capacity Union Pacific Railroad Joe Wise approached UPRRs mechanical foreman Mr G Reams told him what needed Now UPRR has always eye out ways help community avenue assist whereby life might saved came up item called chip-net woven net used cover railroad cars loaded wood chips sawdust Keeps blowing over county current Operations Officer Ron Tincher donated necessary lengths joints two-inch PVC pipe Joe Wise donated fittings cementand within day two born 10-ft-high 64-ft-long field safety net experience unequalled its capacity protect spectators net itself woven strong fibrous paperlike material hung PVC frame properly placed between runway spectators intended bring flying models stop its half-inch mesh gives onlookers excellent visibility found families club members sitting behind net didnt notice its presence after few min utes watching takeoffs landings PVC pipe standards need no ex planation after examine photos version frame uprights thick-walled PVC 10 ft high stands thin-walled type Since frame guyed standard no need cement parts together Only 900 fittings cemented section base mainly keep getting misplaced Although felt 10 ft ample net height entire 12ft width could used desired simply lengthening uprights two feet Slip standards bases together shown hang net hooks top tighten up guys youre business 86 Model Aviation Use heavy-duty flOOKS ins top OT ins up right support net Wrap webbing net around hook several times ensure doesnt come undone wind Hand throwing model net showi ..tle damage either modei net spinning prop present will likely cut some strands repairs simpie Disassembled net its supports can easily stored PVC pipe used makethe stanchions availabie piumbing supply houses can assembled cement in-asten Dringntly-colorea flDDOfl surveyors tape guy lines Ed Bartons doing make visible Keep eye Junior Birdmen swing set guy lines incidentally kind heavy twinewhite nylon best visibilitytied center stan dard run tent pegs spikes side net end found good idea also tie some brinhtlv colored flags guy lines help seeing used yellow orange vinyl surveyors tape flags fair amount discussion regarding just position net Cnntinud nate 174 Left Len Hoilowaya soloed RC pilot bytheway attachesthe netto end supports Flight jim oiiowayiies guy iine wine corner upright Weave guy line nylon twine best through netting few times holds net securely against upright August1987 87 uur auinor sets inc SiSKO Tor inc ena guy line Keep guys everything straight best support appearance Terry Neustal nets originators assembles s stanchion base running guy lines very top upright length feet base could shortened wraps up securing net bottom OT up- jim ana Len noitoway sirucn iris risi OUL uuuu LIEU rights Photos author Ed Barton ground install uprights bases Teamwork requ. Therefore enable giving folks some thing return obvious support former again served communication tool club affairs subsequently grew stature addition constant stream design construction articles plus dash Hoosier humor sprinkled about flavoring rate seemed like recipe whats news respect Free Flight eastern Midwest current editor-in-chief Informer Moe Whittemore also doing double-duty 1987 serving club president Roger Lane Veep Meredith Chamberlain retain ing keys club strongbox Club interests run gauntlet Free Flight categories Indoor FAI evident such names membership roster four-time World Indoor Champ Jim Richmond current FAI Power team member Dale Mateer six issues newsletter published year go $450 domestic Canadian subscribers fullfledged CIA Agent status club member amounts $6 per year Well would believe time head out airport next club meeting So See ya downwind Harry Murphy 3824 Oakwood Blvd Ander son IN 46011 Custom Racers/Berliner Continued page 76 Get idea Tsunami will hit 500 mph rumor has hit 490 mph test flight before Reno really advanced designs should able less course advance technology possible drawbacks thing builders cap abilities have different thresholds everyone possessingthe skilito build 225mph Formula plane can move 450- 500-mph speed range almost certainty least futuristic Unlimited will crash early test flight thats built-in risk machine meant racing Racing cars crash racing bicycles GeeBees crashed did hot Airacobras Mustangs Though danger men continue move forward push back horizons result isnt always instantly clear benefit Safety Net/Hicks Continued page 87 Should adjacent runway catch wandering models before get out hand would better put net further back toward spectator area decided try position about six feet spectators picnic tables point model would have dive almost straight hit onlookerand general safety rules obeyed no model would ever flying position could didnt think couldprotect against potential hazard anything else student just-soloed pilot model goes astray takeoff landing careens off runway head ing felt needed worry about havent subjected net des tructive testing have purposefully flown model just see would hold up As photos show however did load up 40-size model flying weight throw hard could net number times did net show absolutely no damage delight model simply slid down net ground much ruffled tail feather actual ac cident engine running net would likelihood stop engine winding up around prop could certainly expect broken prop plane might hang net might have small weaving job to mend net can imagine cheaper price pay what could otherwise lifethreatening situation call Mr Dave Beighley UPRR offices Omaha produced ordering information about net put touch its manufacturer Chase Bag Company Portland OR called spoke Mr J Dickey delighted hear new application product offered special ordering arrangement clubs may want assemble own safety net Simply send order check $2000 net desired Chase Bag Co PO Box 10192 Portland OR 97210 nets shipped FOB Port land Mark order Attention Mr Harry Gage Net nomenclature Chip net 12 x 64 ft paper woven mesh yellow coded Grande Ronde Bush Pilots express sincere appreciation Union Pacific Railroad its generosity Chase Bag Company making special shipping arrangements other clubs de siring own nets may better way protect ourselves against model aircraft accidentsbut until comes along ones winner doubt safety net going reduce AMA insurance premiums thing may sure club has serious accident things insurance carrier going examine greatest care evalu ating claim What measures did take before accident prevent kind tragedy will club answer Keith-Rider/Lidberg Continued page 93 turns will need bend prop hanger obtain down left thrust should help achieve non-stalling climb left fairly wide circles Work up maximum turns stages changing balance improve giide very small increments needed arrive appropriate number maximum turns take motor off plane wind until bursts use number turns less 10% practical limit motor long use winder unhook wind rear definitely recommended since 1000 turns takes long time wind hand Also use rubber lube prolong life motor give consistent results Bumblebee has built fairly light should have little trouble achiev ing flights about minute using winder remindedthe hard wayof just lightweight little planes recent afternoon first built last seen shipping out four-minute thermal So Id suggest putting name phone number plane safeguard interesting idiosyncrasy model approach max imum winds long body develops twist 174 Model Aviation
Edition: Model Aviation - 1987/08
Page Numbers: 85, 86, 87, 174
NO OCR TEXT Somebody snickered suggested Hey bout big net around 10 feet high 70 feet long Somebody else said Thats good idea Lets figure out chip-net safety barrier born happens several newer members including current president Ben Davison engineers brakemen work some other capacity Union Pacific Railroad Joe Wise approached UPRRs mechanical foreman Mr G Reams told him what needed Now UPRR has always eye out ways help community avenue assist whereby life might saved came up item called chip-net woven net used cover railroad cars loaded wood chips sawdust Keeps blowing over county current Operations Officer Ron Tincher donated necessary lengths joints two-inch PVC pipe Joe Wise donated fittings cementand within day two born 10-ft-high 64-ft-long field safety net experience unequalled its capacity protect spectators net itself woven strong fibrous paperlike material hung PVC frame properly placed between runway spectators intended bring flying models stop its half-inch mesh gives onlookers excellent visibility found families club members sitting behind net didnt notice its presence after few min utes watching takeoffs landings PVC pipe standards need no ex planation after examine photos version frame uprights thick-walled PVC 10 ft high stands thin-walled type Since frame guyed standard no need cement parts together Only 900 fittings cemented section base mainly keep getting misplaced Although felt 10 ft ample net height entire 12ft width could used desired simply lengthening uprights two feet Slip standards bases together shown hang net hooks top tighten up guys youre business 86 Model Aviation Use heavy-duty flOOKS ins top OT ins up right support net Wrap webbing net around hook several times ensure doesnt come undone wind Hand throwing model net showi ..tle damage either modei net spinning prop present will likely cut some strands repairs simpie Disassembled net its supports can easily stored PVC pipe used makethe stanchions availabie piumbing supply houses can assembled cement in-asten Dringntly-colorea flDDOfl surveyors tape guy lines Ed Bartons doing make visible Keep eye Junior Birdmen swing set guy lines incidentally kind heavy twinewhite nylon best visibilitytied center stan dard run tent pegs spikes side net end found good idea also tie some brinhtlv colored flags guy lines help seeing used yellow orange vinyl surveyors tape flags fair amount discussion regarding just position net Cnntinud nate 174 Left Len Hoilowaya soloed RC pilot bytheway attachesthe netto end supports Flight jim oiiowayiies guy iine wine corner upright Weave guy line nylon twine best through netting few times holds net securely against upright August1987 87 uur auinor sets inc SiSKO Tor inc ena guy line Keep guys everything straight best support appearance Terry Neustal nets originators assembles s stanchion base running guy lines very top upright length feet base could shortened wraps up securing net bottom OT up- jim ana Len noitoway sirucn iris risi OUL uuuu LIEU rights Photos author Ed Barton ground install uprights bases Teamwork requ. Therefore enable giving folks some thing return obvious support former again served communication tool club affairs subsequently grew stature addition constant stream design construction articles plus dash Hoosier humor sprinkled about flavoring rate seemed like recipe whats news respect Free Flight eastern Midwest current editor-in-chief Informer Moe Whittemore also doing double-duty 1987 serving club president Roger Lane Veep Meredith Chamberlain retain ing keys club strongbox Club interests run gauntlet Free Flight categories Indoor FAI evident such names membership roster four-time World Indoor Champ Jim Richmond current FAI Power team member Dale Mateer six issues newsletter published year go $450 domestic Canadian subscribers fullfledged CIA Agent status club member amounts $6 per year Well would believe time head out airport next club meeting So See ya downwind Harry Murphy 3824 Oakwood Blvd Ander son IN 46011 Custom Racers/Berliner Continued page 76 Get idea Tsunami will hit 500 mph rumor has hit 490 mph test flight before Reno really advanced designs should able less course advance technology possible drawbacks thing builders cap abilities have different thresholds everyone possessingthe skilito build 225mph Formula plane can move 450- 500-mph speed range almost certainty least futuristic Unlimited will crash early test flight thats built-in risk machine meant racing Racing cars crash racing bicycles GeeBees crashed did hot Airacobras Mustangs Though danger men continue move forward push back horizons result isnt always instantly clear benefit Safety Net/Hicks Continued page 87 Should adjacent runway catch wandering models before get out hand would better put net further back toward spectator area decided try position about six feet spectators picnic tables point model would have dive almost straight hit onlookerand general safety rules obeyed no model would ever flying position could didnt think couldprotect against potential hazard anything else student just-soloed pilot model goes astray takeoff landing careens off runway head ing felt needed worry about havent subjected net des tructive testing have purposefully flown model just see would hold up As photos show however did load up 40-size model flying weight throw hard could net number times did net show absolutely no damage delight model simply slid down net ground much ruffled tail feather actual ac cident engine running net would likelihood stop engine winding up around prop could certainly expect broken prop plane might hang net might have small weaving job to mend net can imagine cheaper price pay what could otherwise lifethreatening situation call Mr Dave Beighley UPRR offices Omaha produced ordering information about net put touch its manufacturer Chase Bag Company Portland OR called spoke Mr J Dickey delighted hear new application product offered special ordering arrangement clubs may want assemble own safety net Simply send order check $2000 net desired Chase Bag Co PO Box 10192 Portland OR 97210 nets shipped FOB Port land Mark order Attention Mr Harry Gage Net nomenclature Chip net 12 x 64 ft paper woven mesh yellow coded Grande Ronde Bush Pilots express sincere appreciation Union Pacific Railroad its generosity Chase Bag Company making special shipping arrangements other clubs de siring own nets may better way protect ourselves against model aircraft accidentsbut until comes along ones winner doubt safety net going reduce AMA insurance premiums thing may sure club has serious accident things insurance carrier going examine greatest care evalu ating claim What measures did take before accident prevent kind tragedy will club answer Keith-Rider/Lidberg Continued page 93 turns will need bend prop hanger obtain down left thrust should help achieve non-stalling climb left fairly wide circles Work up maximum turns stages changing balance improve giide very small increments needed arrive appropriate number maximum turns take motor off plane wind until bursts use number turns less 10% practical limit motor long use winder unhook wind rear definitely recommended since 1000 turns takes long time wind hand Also use rubber lube prolong life motor give consistent results Bumblebee has built fairly light should have little trouble achiev ing flights about minute using winder remindedthe hard wayof just lightweight little planes recent afternoon first built last seen shipping out four-minute thermal So Id suggest putting name phone number plane safeguard interesting idiosyncrasy model approach max imum winds long body develops twist 174 Model Aviation
Edition: Model Aviation - 1987/08
Page Numbers: 85, 86, 87, 174
NO OCR TEXT Somebody snickered suggested Hey bout big net around 10 feet high 70 feet long Somebody else said Thats good idea Lets figure out chip-net safety barrier born happens several newer members including current president Ben Davison engineers brakemen work some other capacity Union Pacific Railroad Joe Wise approached UPRRs mechanical foreman Mr G Reams told him what needed Now UPRR has always eye out ways help community avenue assist whereby life might saved came up item called chip-net woven net used cover railroad cars loaded wood chips sawdust Keeps blowing over county current Operations Officer Ron Tincher donated necessary lengths joints two-inch PVC pipe Joe Wise donated fittings cementand within day two born 10-ft-high 64-ft-long field safety net experience unequalled its capacity protect spectators net itself woven strong fibrous paperlike material hung PVC frame properly placed between runway spectators intended bring flying models stop its half-inch mesh gives onlookers excellent visibility found families club members sitting behind net didnt notice its presence after few min utes watching takeoffs landings PVC pipe standards need no ex planation after examine photos version frame uprights thick-walled PVC 10 ft high stands thin-walled type Since frame guyed standard no need cement parts together Only 900 fittings cemented section base mainly keep getting misplaced Although felt 10 ft ample net height entire 12ft width could used desired simply lengthening uprights two feet Slip standards bases together shown hang net hooks top tighten up guys youre business 86 Model Aviation Use heavy-duty flOOKS ins top OT ins up right support net Wrap webbing net around hook several times ensure doesnt come undone wind Hand throwing model net showi ..tle damage either modei net spinning prop present will likely cut some strands repairs simpie Disassembled net its supports can easily stored PVC pipe used makethe stanchions availabie piumbing supply houses can assembled cement in-asten Dringntly-colorea flDDOfl surveyors tape guy lines Ed Bartons doing make visible Keep eye Junior Birdmen swing set guy lines incidentally kind heavy twinewhite nylon best visibilitytied center stan dard run tent pegs spikes side net end found good idea also tie some brinhtlv colored flags guy lines help seeing used yellow orange vinyl surveyors tape flags fair amount discussion regarding just position net Cnntinud nate 174 Left Len Hoilowaya soloed RC pilot bytheway attachesthe netto end supports Flight jim oiiowayiies guy iine wine corner upright Weave guy line nylon twine best through netting few times holds net securely against upright August1987 87 uur auinor sets inc SiSKO Tor inc ena guy line Keep guys everything straight best support appearance Terry Neustal nets originators assembles s stanchion base running guy lines very top upright length feet base could shortened wraps up securing net bottom OT up- jim ana Len noitoway sirucn iris risi OUL uuuu LIEU rights Photos author Ed Barton ground install uprights bases Teamwork requ. Therefore enable giving folks some thing return obvious support former again served communication tool club affairs subsequently grew stature addition constant stream design construction articles plus dash Hoosier humor sprinkled about flavoring rate seemed like recipe whats news respect Free Flight eastern Midwest current editor-in-chief Informer Moe Whittemore also doing double-duty 1987 serving club president Roger Lane Veep Meredith Chamberlain retain ing keys club strongbox Club interests run gauntlet Free Flight categories Indoor FAI evident such names membership roster four-time World Indoor Champ Jim Richmond current FAI Power team member Dale Mateer six issues newsletter published year go $450 domestic Canadian subscribers fullfledged CIA Agent status club member amounts $6 per year Well would believe time head out airport next club meeting So See ya downwind Harry Murphy 3824 Oakwood Blvd Ander son IN 46011 Custom Racers/Berliner Continued page 76 Get idea Tsunami will hit 500 mph rumor has hit 490 mph test flight before Reno really advanced designs should able less course advance technology possible drawbacks thing builders cap abilities have different thresholds everyone possessingthe skilito build 225mph Formula plane can move 450- 500-mph speed range almost certainty least futuristic Unlimited will crash early test flight thats built-in risk machine meant racing Racing cars crash racing bicycles GeeBees crashed did hot Airacobras Mustangs Though danger men continue move forward push back horizons result isnt always instantly clear benefit Safety Net/Hicks Continued page 87 Should adjacent runway catch wandering models before get out hand would better put net further back toward spectator area decided try position about six feet spectators picnic tables point model would have dive almost straight hit onlookerand general safety rules obeyed no model would ever flying position could didnt think couldprotect against potential hazard anything else student just-soloed pilot model goes astray takeoff landing careens off runway head ing felt needed worry about havent subjected net des tructive testing have purposefully flown model just see would hold up As photos show however did load up 40-size model flying weight throw hard could net number times did net show absolutely no damage delight model simply slid down net ground much ruffled tail feather actual ac cident engine running net would likelihood stop engine winding up around prop could certainly expect broken prop plane might hang net might have small weaving job to mend net can imagine cheaper price pay what could otherwise lifethreatening situation call Mr Dave Beighley UPRR offices Omaha produced ordering information about net put touch its manufacturer Chase Bag Company Portland OR called spoke Mr J Dickey delighted hear new application product offered special ordering arrangement clubs may want assemble own safety net Simply send order check $2000 net desired Chase Bag Co PO Box 10192 Portland OR 97210 nets shipped FOB Port land Mark order Attention Mr Harry Gage Net nomenclature Chip net 12 x 64 ft paper woven mesh yellow coded Grande Ronde Bush Pilots express sincere appreciation Union Pacific Railroad its generosity Chase Bag Company making special shipping arrangements other clubs de siring own nets may better way protect ourselves against model aircraft accidentsbut until comes along ones winner doubt safety net going reduce AMA insurance premiums thing may sure club has serious accident things insurance carrier going examine greatest care evalu ating claim What measures did take before accident prevent kind tragedy will club answer Keith-Rider/Lidberg Continued page 93 turns will need bend prop hanger obtain down left thrust should help achieve non-stalling climb left fairly wide circles Work up maximum turns stages changing balance improve giide very small increments needed arrive appropriate number maximum turns take motor off plane wind until bursts use number turns less 10% practical limit motor long use winder unhook wind rear definitely recommended since 1000 turns takes long time wind hand Also use rubber lube prolong life motor give consistent results Bumblebee has built fairly light should have little trouble achiev ing flights about minute using winder remindedthe hard wayof just lightweight little planes recent afternoon first built last seen shipping out four-minute thermal So Id suggest putting name phone number plane safeguard interesting idiosyncrasy model approach max imum winds long body develops twist 174 Model Aviation
Edition: Model Aviation - 1987/08
Page Numbers: 85, 86, 87, 174
NO OCR TEXT Somebody snickered suggested Hey bout big net around 10 feet high 70 feet long Somebody else said Thats good idea Lets figure out chip-net safety barrier born happens several newer members including current president Ben Davison engineers brakemen work some other capacity Union Pacific Railroad Joe Wise approached UPRRs mechanical foreman Mr G Reams told him what needed Now UPRR has always eye out ways help community avenue assist whereby life might saved came up item called chip-net woven net used cover railroad cars loaded wood chips sawdust Keeps blowing over county current Operations Officer Ron Tincher donated necessary lengths joints two-inch PVC pipe Joe Wise donated fittings cementand within day two born 10-ft-high 64-ft-long field safety net experience unequalled its capacity protect spectators net itself woven strong fibrous paperlike material hung PVC frame properly placed between runway spectators intended bring flying models stop its half-inch mesh gives onlookers excellent visibility found families club members sitting behind net didnt notice its presence after few min utes watching takeoffs landings PVC pipe standards need no ex planation after examine photos version frame uprights thick-walled PVC 10 ft high stands thin-walled type Since frame guyed standard no need cement parts together Only 900 fittings cemented section base mainly keep getting misplaced Although felt 10 ft ample net height entire 12ft width could used desired simply lengthening uprights two feet Slip standards bases together shown hang net hooks top tighten up guys youre business 86 Model Aviation Use heavy-duty flOOKS ins top OT ins up right support net Wrap webbing net around hook several times ensure doesnt come undone wind Hand throwing model net showi ..tle damage either modei net spinning prop present will likely cut some strands repairs simpie Disassembled net its supports can easily stored PVC pipe used makethe stanchions availabie piumbing supply houses can assembled cement in-asten Dringntly-colorea flDDOfl surveyors tape guy lines Ed Bartons doing make visible Keep eye Junior Birdmen swing set guy lines incidentally kind heavy twinewhite nylon best visibilitytied center stan dard run tent pegs spikes side net end found good idea also tie some brinhtlv colored flags guy lines help seeing used yellow orange vinyl surveyors tape flags fair amount discussion regarding just position net Cnntinud nate 174 Left Len Hoilowaya soloed RC pilot bytheway attachesthe netto end supports Flight jim oiiowayiies guy iine wine corner upright Weave guy line nylon twine best through netting few times holds net securely against upright August1987 87 uur auinor sets inc SiSKO Tor inc ena guy line Keep guys everything straight best support appearance Terry Neustal nets originators assembles s stanchion base running guy lines very top upright length feet base could shortened wraps up securing net bottom OT up- jim ana Len noitoway sirucn iris risi OUL uuuu LIEU rights Photos author Ed Barton ground install uprights bases Teamwork requ. Therefore enable giving folks some thing return obvious support former again served communication tool club affairs subsequently grew stature addition constant stream design construction articles plus dash Hoosier humor sprinkled about flavoring rate seemed like recipe whats news respect Free Flight eastern Midwest current editor-in-chief Informer Moe Whittemore also doing double-duty 1987 serving club president Roger Lane Veep Meredith Chamberlain retain ing keys club strongbox Club interests run gauntlet Free Flight categories Indoor FAI evident such names membership roster four-time World Indoor Champ Jim Richmond current FAI Power team member Dale Mateer six issues newsletter published year go $450 domestic Canadian subscribers fullfledged CIA Agent status club member amounts $6 per year Well would believe time head out airport next club meeting So See ya downwind Harry Murphy 3824 Oakwood Blvd Ander son IN 46011 Custom Racers/Berliner Continued page 76 Get idea Tsunami will hit 500 mph rumor has hit 490 mph test flight before Reno really advanced designs should able less course advance technology possible drawbacks thing builders cap abilities have different thresholds everyone possessingthe skilito build 225mph Formula plane can move 450- 500-mph speed range almost certainty least futuristic Unlimited will crash early test flight thats built-in risk machine meant racing Racing cars crash racing bicycles GeeBees crashed did hot Airacobras Mustangs Though danger men continue move forward push back horizons result isnt always instantly clear benefit Safety Net/Hicks Continued page 87 Should adjacent runway catch wandering models before get out hand would better put net further back toward spectator area decided try position about six feet spectators picnic tables point model would have dive almost straight hit onlookerand general safety rules obeyed no model would ever flying position could didnt think couldprotect against potential hazard anything else student just-soloed pilot model goes astray takeoff landing careens off runway head ing felt needed worry about havent subjected net des tructive testing have purposefully flown model just see would hold up As photos show however did load up 40-size model flying weight throw hard could net number times did net show absolutely no damage delight model simply slid down net ground much ruffled tail feather actual ac cident engine running net would likelihood stop engine winding up around prop could certainly expect broken prop plane might hang net might have small weaving job to mend net can imagine cheaper price pay what could otherwise lifethreatening situation call Mr Dave Beighley UPRR offices Omaha produced ordering information about net put touch its manufacturer Chase Bag Company Portland OR called spoke Mr J Dickey delighted hear new application product offered special ordering arrangement clubs may want assemble own safety net Simply send order check $2000 net desired Chase Bag Co PO Box 10192 Portland OR 97210 nets shipped FOB Port land Mark order Attention Mr Harry Gage Net nomenclature Chip net 12 x 64 ft paper woven mesh yellow coded Grande Ronde Bush Pilots express sincere appreciation Union Pacific Railroad its generosity Chase Bag Company making special shipping arrangements other clubs de siring own nets may better way protect ourselves against model aircraft accidentsbut until comes along ones winner doubt safety net going reduce AMA insurance premiums thing may sure club has serious accident things insurance carrier going examine greatest care evalu ating claim What measures did take before accident prevent kind tragedy will club answer Keith-Rider/Lidberg Continued page 93 turns will need bend prop hanger obtain down left thrust should help achieve non-stalling climb left fairly wide circles Work up maximum turns stages changing balance improve giide very small increments needed arrive appropriate number maximum turns take motor off plane wind until bursts use number turns less 10% practical limit motor long use winder unhook wind rear definitely recommended since 1000 turns takes long time wind hand Also use rubber lube prolong life motor give consistent results Bumblebee has built fairly light should have little trouble achiev ing flights about minute using winder remindedthe hard wayof just lightweight little planes recent afternoon first built last seen shipping out four-minute thermal So Id suggest putting name phone number plane safeguard interesting idiosyncrasy model approach max imum winds long body develops twist 174 Model Aviation